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05 Mar 2015, 9:41 pm

The Holy Ghost is the receptacle, or vessel, for Gcowpox, which is the spirit of the Holy Gcow.



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06 Mar 2015, 11:24 pm

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It does make you wonder, where do people come up with this stuff. I like the idea of a comforter but at the same time it was humans who have come up with all of this.


Well, technically when one goes into that theta wave brain trance that brings subconscious mind to forefront of greater human potential, it can feel blissful in comfort even when pressing 930LBS, 14 times with one's legs and growling like a gorilla all the same.

Just in case, if you have not witnessed that yet..;).. here it is again..:)



The human 'quantum' mind AKA Holy spirit or subconscious creative mind more fully unleashed and released has its intrinsic rewards in natural theta brain waves between sleep and wake.. in a dream state of awareness with intense focus never the less...

And although there is no way to measure it, in my day to day life, there is some good evidence that the Biofeedback of creative movement like ballet, martial arts, OR just CREATIVE FREE STYLE movement in balance leads to the regulation of emotions, greater sensory integration, cognitive executive functioning per enhanced focus and short term memory PLUS greater HOLD ON neurohormones and neurochemicals like oxytocin, serotonin, dopamine, endorphins, and potentially even DMT aka naturally occurring 'Molly' or ecstasy...

And that is a mighty find of a fine comforter..IN LIFE for metaphor of HOLY GHOST, SPIRIT, OR GUARDIAN SPIRIT..

to JUST Put on..

And TRUST ME.. AT LEAST FOR ME..

It has a 'perfect practice' of 'fit' FOR me NOW..:)

I just have answers in science AND METAPHOR..
WHILE MOST OTHERS HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER OR NO

ANSWERS

AT
ALL......

BUT AGAIN, without the comfort there IS practically and realistically just empty letters that are vehicles and vessels to house the words of empty shells of not much of anything at all..

Like the word comforter without comfort...

Sadly, some folks are still looking for THAT Comforter and have never TRULY 'seen' it, at least
in this lifetime, according to them.

Mother Teresa Lost her comforter for decades but CHRONIC CAREGIVING CAN BURN OUT the feelings of THE MOST CARING OF INDIVIDUALS, AS OPPOSED TO THOSE who have dead heart souls and spirits, WHO JUST DO THE WORK AS IS...

AND THAT'S OKAY TOO, as we certainly need warriors, surgeons, and CEO's to make the country continue to run

STRONG..:)

Walmart is STILL DIRT cheap...... in part..'cause of THAT..:)

BY THE WAY, I love Super Walmart, so nice of Sam Walton to work so damn hard to provide that huge middle aisle of a dance floor JUST FOR ME.. TO GO ALL OUT IN MARTIAL ARTS AND BALLET FREE STYLE way to entertain the rest of the audience in Walmart Aisles....

For five years I couldn't even bear the sensory explosion of walking in the doors, along with all the pain of illness of course...

And always before that it was incredibly stressful to feel all the stresses of local herd in my area crowded in the aisles...

But NOW I am in control of my state of mind in sensory integration, emotional regulation and overall ALWAYS CALM..

AND I CAN NOW DO ALMOST ANYTHING I set my mind and body balance to JUST DO IT in CREATIVE FLOW...

BUT Taking out the trash, and doing the taxes is STILL OH SO DULL!..;)


That sounds totally zen, Aghogday. :ninja:

So what about the Holy Spirit in the great things other species can do, like in the tremendous running capabilities of the lovely Cheetah? Why is it Bible writers only want to credit humans but do not like to recognize other species can have what seems like spiritually enhanced potential, initiation and execution, meaning cheetahs can run incredibly fast, some birds can fly, a hawk can see a tiny mouse running through grass from way up in the sky, thousands of feet. Sure, we humans are capable of what appears miraculous but in many holy books the amazing abilities of other species are brushed aside. Maybe it was because Bible writers felt animals were too wild to include in their inner circles?



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07 Mar 2015, 12:29 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
aghogday wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It does make you wonder, where do people come up with this stuff. I like the idea of a comforter but at the same time it was humans who have come up with all of this.


Well, technically when one goes into that theta wave brain trance that brings subconscious mind to forefront of greater human potential, it can feel blissful in comfort even when pressing 930LBS, 14 times with one's legs and growling like a gorilla all the same.

Just in case, if you have not witnessed that yet..;).. here it is again..:)



The human 'quantum' mind AKA Holy spirit or subconscious creative mind more fully unleashed and released has its intrinsic rewards in natural theta brain waves between sleep and wake.. in a dream state of awareness with intense focus never the less...

And although there is no way to measure it, in my day to day life, there is some good evidence that the Biofeedback of creative movement like ballet, martial arts, OR just CREATIVE FREE STYLE movement in balance leads to the regulation of emotions, greater sensory integration, cognitive executive functioning per enhanced focus and short term memory PLUS greater HOLD ON neurohormones and neurochemicals like oxytocin, serotonin, dopamine, endorphins, and potentially even DMT aka naturally occurring 'Molly' or ecstasy...

And that is a mighty find of a fine comforter..IN LIFE for metaphor of HOLY GHOST, SPIRIT, OR GUARDIAN SPIRIT..

to JUST Put on..

And TRUST ME.. AT LEAST FOR ME..

It has a 'perfect practice' of 'fit' FOR me NOW..:)

I just have answers in science AND METAPHOR..
WHILE MOST OTHERS HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER OR NO

ANSWERS

AT
ALL......

BUT AGAIN, without the comfort there IS practically and realistically just empty letters that are vehicles and vessels to house the words of empty shells of not much of anything at all..

Like the word comforter without comfort...

Sadly, some folks are still looking for THAT Comforter and have never TRULY 'seen' it, at least
in this lifetime, according to them.

Mother Teresa Lost her comforter for decades but CHRONIC CAREGIVING CAN BURN OUT the feelings of THE MOST CARING OF INDIVIDUALS, AS OPPOSED TO THOSE who have dead heart souls and spirits, WHO JUST DO THE WORK AS IS...

AND THAT'S OKAY TOO, as we certainly need warriors, surgeons, and CEO's to make the country continue to run

STRONG..:)

Walmart is STILL DIRT cheap...... in part..'cause of THAT..:)

BY THE WAY, I love Super Walmart, so nice of Sam Walton to work so damn hard to provide that huge middle aisle of a dance floor JUST FOR ME.. TO GO ALL OUT IN MARTIAL ARTS AND BALLET FREE STYLE way to entertain the rest of the audience in Walmart Aisles....

For five years I couldn't even bear the sensory explosion of walking in the doors, along with all the pain of illness of course...

And always before that it was incredibly stressful to feel all the stresses of local herd in my area crowded in the aisles...

But NOW I am in control of my state of mind in sensory integration, emotional regulation and overall ALWAYS CALM..

AND I CAN NOW DO ALMOST ANYTHING I set my mind and body balance to JUST DO IT in CREATIVE FLOW...

BUT Taking out the trash, and doing the taxes is STILL OH SO DULL!..;)


That sounds totally zen, Aghogday. :ninja:

So what about the Holy Spirit in the great things other species can do, like in the tremendous running capabilities of the lovely Cheetah? Why is it Bible writers only want to credit humans but do not like to recognize other species can have what seems like spiritually enhanced potential, initiation and execution, meaning cheetahs can run incredibly fast, some birds can fly, a hawk can see a tiny mouse running through grass from way up in the sky, thousands of feet. Sure, we humans are capable of what appears miraculous but in many holy books the amazing abilities of other species are brushed aside. Maybe it was because Bible writers felt animals were too wild to include in their inner circles?


I totally agree with this. A major human fallacy is the belief that neocortical forecasts of the future and remembering the past by tool of written abstract language is an advancement in life.

It is in fact, a road block to simple peace of mind (animal homeostasis), and a major source of human anxiety that cripples human animal potential.

Meanwhile, most wild animals sit back and relax after they do their survival thingy, 'JUST DOing IT', to get the job done, again, and just relax.

Meanwhile humans are worried about stuff like WHO MADE WHO...



SILLY LITTLE HUMANS; they amuse this human animal that does not fit well into the 'clergy jerk circles', either...

And Yeah, that's kind of tongue and cheek for circle jerks, as it's just mental masturbation more or less, to focus on anything else BUT THE GOD OF NOW; YES, LITERALLY NOW IS GOD..:)

MY CAT HAS NO PROBLEMS UNDERSTANDING THIS WITHOUT THE VIRUS OF ABSTRACT WRITTEN LANGUAGE, AND OTHEr illusory forces of complex cultures....

Typically, to put it simply...

Humans are more 'stupid', the so-called 'smarter they get'.

Life is so frigging Ironic, as those who ruffle the covers sleep without comfort.....

I'll take my place in the animal kingdom, and truly the only thing that really personally affects AND EFFECTS me AND pisses me off about humans is the stupid 20% member discount they gave me at birth for LESS cover AND protection out in the environment, au-naturale, against the elements....and making me always look turned on in my ALL new AGE renaissance 'FREE verse nude Poetry', per STRAIGHT male nude art....to embarrass the female leaning art audience and homophobes.. of course....;)

Human cultures and religions, overall, are just words for hypocrisy...when the flesh and blood hits the rules of the real roads of GOD, per Mother Nature True....

The more animal I get and the less human I get, the more I live in simple animal bliss, and my gorilla growl gets more powerful everyday, as I continue to un-domesticate the 'filthy human' 'CULTURAL CLOTHES' OFF! my APE!

It's totally opposite from this short ICONIC MOVIE CLIP..;)



And this is what human being really is, and even though the English Language is not spoken in it, the non-verbal language says IT ALL about what IT TRuly means to be human....

One of the best Youtube video clips, ever, in my humble opinion, with or without human intelligible English language....



And the movie Avatar has precisely the same message, although more urgent, as humans are becoming so much more like machine avatars, now, instead of human.

In fact, THAT MESSAGE IS SO CLEAR IN THAT MOVIE, where some folks went out and ended their 'FRUITLESS' LIVES AFTER SEEING IT; YES, an EPIDEMIC OF SAD, SAD ENLIGHTENMENT, IN THE LIES OF HUMAN CULTURE THAT movie opened up for people capable of seeing the message intended by those folks who created IT.



My face AND BODY is all over the Internet, 'cause I refuse to be a dam ONLINE AVATAR, or static Facebook face that stays the same for years or decades; UGH, I change IT everyday, 'cause I am ALIVE; NO MORE, AM I, ANOTHER GROUND HOG DAY, PER AGHOGDAY, FOR ME!..;)

But yeah, in a way, maybe, YODA am i..;)

BUT TO EACH HIS OR HER OWN, AS I'VE BEEN AN AVATAR TOO, and DO KNOW what that's like....

I certainly cannot pass personal judgements against anyone else, FOR ANYTHING, as GOD knows I've just about lived in all the cultural problem shoes available, far past 'shoe station'..;)

Hope you enjoyed the show, by a way..with.. smiles.. AnA friend..:)


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07 Mar 2015, 1:05 am

I can't even imagine what it's like pressing all that weight, Aghogday! Definitely seems like a gift from God to be able to do it. Some things do seem to be spiritual but it is likely due to a specific reason that has it's basis in science. Spirituality does tend to help the mind, sometimes. I like to think people are brought closer to God, not away from him. So, when I see people trying to hoard God to themselves and alienate others, really tends to anger me. God is accessible to all and if you cannot see that, perhaps you are following a false doctrine laid out by false prophets?



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07 Mar 2015, 1:31 am

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I can't even imagine what it's like pressing all that weight, Aghogday! Definitely seems like a gift from God to be able to do it. Some things do seem to be spiritual but it is likely due to a specific reason that has it's basis in science. Spirituality does tend to help the mind, sometimes. I like to think people are brought closer to God, not away from him. So, when I see people trying to hoard God to themselves and alienate others, really tends to anger me. God is accessible to all and if you cannot see that, perhaps you are following a false doctrine laid out by false prophets?


The false prophets are only those who do not align with nature.. as nature rules..true rules..:)

THE REASON I can leg press 930LBS, 14 times slowly and smoothy IS:

I just literally undomesticated myself by following the Innately instinctual intuitive God AS Mother Nature TRUE given human nature Laws of Nature AKA Laws of GOD, similar to folks who sit in caves, walk 40 days in the desert, and sit under trees to get BACK IN TOUCH WITH NATURE AND AWAY from the lies of illusory culture and or religion that take humans away from the GOD of Nature, in oppressing and repressing human nature through subjugation by way of propagating illusory fears, like the devil and AN eternal burning in hell, or a FALSE PROMISE OF heaven after life WITH MATERIALISTIC GEMS, instead of the only TRUE potential of that NOW, as NOW is ALL that TRULY EXISTS..NOW..ON GOD OF NATURE PROVIDED BLUE AND GREEN ALL NATURAL EARTH FOR US! AS IS!..:)

I need no SCIENCE textbook FOR ANY OF that; only the spirit that is endowed upON ME AND IN ME, ALL NATURAL, BY THE GOD OF NATURE..:)

REMEMBERING IT, BY CONNECTING BACK TO IT AFTER 53 YEARS, OF relative human hell off and on, was a REAL job OF JOB, never the less, i JUST DiD IT and continue to do IT, everynow of everynow, in alignment with the ONLY GOD OF MOTHER NATURE TRUE, AND NEVER AGAINST 'HER'; AS ONE WITH hER!..:)

I listen TO NO HUMANS FOR ADVICE ON THIS TRUTH, SO THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF ME LISTENING TO FALSE PROPHETS, AS NATURE IS ALWAYS TRUE, AS GOD AS NOW. :)


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07 Mar 2015, 3:15 am

It seems God of creation is "nature" but then you read all this confusing talk of "the word" "logos" and "reason." and that isn't really creation unless you consider life a way of bringing order (reason) out of chaos. Then, I guess the God of creation is also reason.



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It's rhyming slang for toast.


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07 Mar 2015, 10:09 am

Cockney rhyming slang? Like "trouble and strife" means "wife"?

Hmmm... I will have to ponder the theological implications of that.



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07 Mar 2015, 10:28 am

Lol!

There was a pic of an actual piece of toast that made the rounds on the net, and on the Jimmy Kimmel show, a couple of years ago that alledgedly had a miraculous image of the Virgin Mary.

And indeed the toast did have what looked like a lady's face in there among the scorched grains. In fact the lady looked remarkably like Marlena Dietrich.

Holy Toast!



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It seems God of creation is "nature" but then you read all this confusing talk of "the word" "logos" and "reason." and that isn't really creation unless you consider life a way of bringing order (reason) out of chaos. Then, I guess the God of creation is also reason.


ALL IS GOD TRUE OR FALSE AND THAT MAKES false and true good and evil..:)


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07 Mar 2015, 10:57 am

Back when I was taking my laps through the bible to get what kind of salient information was in it I stumbled upon this part of 1 Samuel which was a major curiosity to me:

1 Samuel 19:18-24 wrote:
18 When David had fled and made his escape, he went to Samuel at Ramah and told him all that Saul had done to him. Then he and Samuel went to Naioth and stayed there. 19 Word came to Saul: “David is in Naioth at Ramah”; 20 so he sent men to capture him. But when they saw a group of prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing there as their leader, the Spirit of God came on Saul’s men, and they also prophesied. 21 Saul was told about it, and he sent more men, and they prophesied too. Saul sent men a third time, and they also prophesied. 22 Finally, he himself left for Ramah and went to the great cistern at Seku. And he asked, “Where are Samuel and David?”

“Over in Naioth at Ramah,” they said.

23 So Saul went to Naioth at Ramah. But the Spirit of God came even on him, and he walked along prophesying until he came to Naioth. 24 He stripped off his garments, and he too prophesied in Samuel’s presence. He lay naked all that day and all that night. This is why people say, “Is Saul also among the prophets?”

So Saul went to go kill David when his men were having a Delphi-ditch style song and dance, and when Saul went there he was prophesying so hard that he stripped down all his clothes and laid on the ground. He was prophesying his face off!

Some might suggest that, like the Pythian Oracles (Delphi) they were breathing in something interesting from a vent in the earth. That might explain this and Delphi, it doesn't explain the Pentacost, it doesn't explain Mary seeing angels at the tomb, nor does it explain the attested accuracy of the Oracle of Delphi (to which there's a story of a king who decided to send servants out to get an answer for them and as a test ask what the king was doing that morning, he was cooking turtle and some other things in copper cauldrons and the oracle brought it up abruptly while the servants made their way in, same oracle told Apollonius of Tyana that yes, he'd be remembered through history through calumny).

The explanation I hear most often, I don't even know what the exact source is (unless it's Catholic fiat), goes along the suggestion that the Holy Spirit is the acknowledgment of God the Father and Christ the Logos - ie. it's a living manifestation of their relationship.

It's behavior and noted affects, particularly in the bible, really seems to represent kundalini or the 'secret fire' which is something that certain parts of the bible, like the 1 Samuel 19 I quoted, seem to suggest very similar behavior of it but they literally won't give it a backstory or explain it in a straightforward manner. It's out there in the pagan philosophical plume surrounding Christianity and Judaism but not exclusively included. One of the things I think that made fundamentalist Christianity impossible for me is just how many times and ways in which pagan astrology, philosophy, and ontology, sort of scrape their way through the scene like icebergs and, like in the hypothetical flatland, a 3D object appears as a growing circle and then decreases to nothing - textually unremarkable if you'd consider the bible indescipherable and higher than the mind of man and same if what you have to work with has the historical context cleaved from it (ie. hence the flatland analogy) where the bible is a wholly separate thing that just landed on earth like the monolith of 2001 Space Odyssey.

As far as kundalini is concerned, much in the same ways that things like LSD or DMT have a means of bringing up all kinds of things that a person didn't know that they knew or whole rich worlds in sync with ours but only correlating in seemingly tangential ways - I really think this is more something like God exerting a kind of effect, a gateway within the person whose prophesying as well as, for example, really lighting up the crowd at a Pentacostal sermon or making people really 'feel' the Holy Spirit when a pastor has come through. There might be more merit to the idea of this as a trinity than I really understand right now but what they cite as the holy spirit just seems like an 'effect' rather than a being of any identity or even propping up the third corner of a trinity. The notion that there's God, God saw Its reflection, and the understanding of Self vs Reflection created a third - that tends to be Kabbalistically oriented and deals with some concepts but those concepts are what they'd call macroprosipus - ie. Kether, Chokmah, and Binah - Androgyn, Father, Mother; Crown, Wisdom, Understanding. Those all have intelligible roles - Kether widens into two polarities - it's postive energetic pole where all potential is stored and it's seminal/male pool of where the 'stuff' comes from is Chokmah (in this case Father - leaving the Wisdom of Solomon's gender alone for a second) and the negative or formative aspect of God which takes that raw energy and gives it distinctly separate shape, gives it a 'womb' is Binah, the Mother.

Something could be going over my head with the Christian textual narrative but the best I can understand from what depth or what little depth I have on the New Testament - God is unknowably distant and vast, Jesus was the incarnation of the Creator (Logos), and while Jesus is living with the body of a man some aspect of God's manifestation that shows up certain instances keeps getting called the Holy Spirit - it looks like it's God piping vision, impulse, and energy through people so that they see and experience certain things but the person next them may or may not - ie. it's not coming through the physical world, it's coming through something a bit more like their pineal gland or whatever other sensitive apparatus our bodies have to spiritual influxes. In that sense its very difficult to call the Holy Spirit anything other than 'God doing' and there's very little clarity as to whether it's the Father doing it, Jesus, or Christ Logos doing it and in a certain manner of speaking it might not matter much being that Jesus's will was so unified to the Big Will that we'd be left utterly without tools to parse any of that out.

From there, not so much from the bible but from man, we had a fine line of what was holy supernatural vs. unholy/deceiving/satanic - we called the dove the good stuff, the serpent the bad stuff. Examining fiery evangelical pastors who have a sort of energetic gift and then seeing people skilled in occultism work with energy it seems like such a fine distinction that rather than there being a dove vs. a snake we're dealing with snakey doves and dovy snakes. Moses putting a brass serpent on a Tau adds more confusion to that mix and Jesus apparently adds for his 72 disciples/dodecants as well "Be as wise as serpents and gentle as doves".


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07 Mar 2015, 11:04 am

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Lol!

There was a pic of an actual piece of toast that made the rounds on the net, and on the Jimmy Kimmel show, a couple of years ago that alledgedly had a miraculous image of the Virgin Mary.

And indeed the toast did have what looked like a lady's face in there among the scorched grains. In fact the lady looked remarkably like Marlena Dietrich.

Holy Toast!


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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Back when I was taking my laps through the bible to get what kind of salient information was in it I stumbled upon this part of 1 Samuel which was a major curiosity to me:

1 Samuel 19:18-24 wrote:
18 When David had fled and made his escape, he went to Samuel at Ramah and told him all that Saul had done to him. Then he and Samuel went to Naioth and stayed there. 19 Word came to Saul: “David is in Naioth at Ramah”; 20 so he sent men to capture him. But when they saw a group of prophets prophesying, with Samuel standing there as their leader, the Spirit of God came on Saul’s men, and they also prophesied. 21 Saul was told about it, and he sent more men, and they prophesied too. Saul sent men a third time, and they also prophesied. 22 Finally, he himself left for Ramah and went to the great cistern at Seku. And he asked, “Where are Samuel and David?”

“Over in Naioth at Ramah,” they said.

23 So Saul went to Naioth at Ramah. But the Spirit of God came even on him, and he walked along prophesying until he came to Naioth. 24 He stripped off his garments, and he too prophesied in Samuel’s presence. He lay naked all that day and all that night. This is why people say, “Is Saul also among the prophets?”

So Saul went to go kill David when his men were having a Delphi-ditch style song and dance, and when Saul went there he was prophesying so hard that he stripped down all his clothes and laid on the ground. He was prophesying his face off!

Some might suggest that, like the Pythian Oracles (Delphi) they were breathing in something interesting from a vent in the earth. That might explain this and Delphi, it doesn't explain the Pentacost, it doesn't explain Mary seeing angels at the tomb, nor does it explain the attested accuracy of the Oracle of Delphi (to which there's a story of a king who decided to send servants out to get an answer for them and as a test ask what the king was doing that morning, he was cooking turtle and some other things in copper cauldrons and the oracle brought it up abruptly while the servants made their way in, same oracle told Apollonius of Tyana that yes, he'd be remembered through history through calumny).

The explanation I hear most often, I don't even know what the exact source is (unless it's Catholic fiat), goes along the suggestion that the Holy Spirit is the acknowledgment of God the Father and Christ the Logos - ie. it's a living manifestation of their relationship.

It's behavior and noted affects, particularly in the bible, really seems to represent kundalini or the 'secret fire' which is something that certain parts of the bible, like the 1 Samuel 19 I quoted, seem to suggest very similar behavior of it but they literally won't give it a backstory or explain it in a straightforward manner. It's out there in the pagan philosophical plume surrounding Christianity and Judaism but not exclusively included. One of the things I think that made fundamentalist Christianity impossible for me is just how many times and ways in which pagan astrology, philosophy, and ontology, sort of scrape their way through the scene like icebergs and, like in the hypothetical flatland, a 3D object appears as a growing circle and then decreases to nothing - textually unremarkable if you'd consider the bible indescipherable and higher than the mind of man and same if what you have to work with has the historical context cleaved from it (ie. hence the flatland analogy) where the bible is a wholly separate thing that just landed on earth like the monolith of 2001 Space Odyssey.

As far as kundalini is concerned, much in the same ways that things like LSD or DMT have a means of bringing up all kinds of things that a person didn't know that they knew or whole rich worlds in sync with ours but only correlating in seemingly tangential ways - I really think this is more something like God exerting a kind of effect, a gateway within the person whose prophesying as well as, for example, really lighting up the crowd at a Pentacostal sermon or making people really 'feel' the Holy Spirit when a pastor has come through. There might be more merit to the idea of this as a trinity than I really understand right now but what they cite as the holy spirit just seems like an 'effect' rather than a being of any identity or even propping up the third corner of a trinity. The notion that there's God, God saw Its reflection, and the understanding of Self vs Reflection created a third - that tends to be Kabbalistically oriented and deals with some concepts but those concepts are what they'd call macroprosipus - ie. Kether, Chokmah, and Binah - Androgyn, Father, Mother; Crown, Wisdom, Understanding. Those all have intelligible roles - Kether widens into two polarities - it's postive energetic pole where all potential is stored and it's seminal/male pool of where the 'stuff' comes from is Chokmah (in this case Father - leaving the Wisdom of Solomon's gender alone for a second) and the negative or formative aspect of God which takes that raw energy and gives it distinctly separate shape, gives it a 'womb' is Binah, the Mother.

Something could be going over my head with the Christian textual narrative but the best I can understand from what depth or what little depth I have on the New Testament - God is unknowably distant and vast, Jesus was the incarnation of the Creator (Logos), and while Jesus is living with the body of a man some aspect of God's manifestation that shows up certain instances keeps getting called the Holy Spirit - it looks like it's God piping vision, impulse, and energy through people so that they see and experience certain things but the person next them may or may not - ie. it's not coming through the physical world, it's coming through something a bit more like their pineal gland or whatever other sensitive apparatus our bodies have to spiritual influxes. In that sense its very difficult to call the Holy Spirit anything other than 'God doing' and there's very little clarity as to whether it's the Father doing it, Jesus, or Christ Logos doing it and in a certain manner of speaking it might not matter much being that Jesus's will was so unified to the Big Will that we'd be left utterly without tools to parse any of that out.

From there, not so much from the bible but from man, we had a fine line of what was holy supernatural vs. unholy/deceiving/satanic - we called the dove the good stuff, the serpent the bad stuff. Examining fiery evangelical pastors who have a sort of energetic gift and then seeing people skilled in occultism work with energy it seems like such a fine distinction that rather than there being a dove vs. a snake we're dealing with snakey doves and dovy snakes. Moses putting a brass serpent on a Tau adds more confusion to that mix and Jesus apparently adds for his 72 disciples/dodecants as well "Be as wise as serpents and gentle as doves".


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07 Mar 2015, 11:33 am

babybird wrote:
It's rhyming slang for toast.


I'll drink to that and by a way.. it's nice to see you fly by.. and land here.. today..:)


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