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skafather84
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18 Mar 2007, 2:20 am

suicide is a better option than either....or with anarchy....just leave the crap.



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18 Mar 2007, 2:27 am

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suicide is a better option than either....or with anarchy....just leave the crap.


Not really. Either you leave the rest of your nation, including your family, in the same mess, or you are advocating the self anihilation of the entire human species.


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18 Mar 2007, 2:38 am

AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
suicide is a better option than either....or with anarchy....just leave the crap.


Not really. Either you leave the rest of your nation, including your family, in the same mess, or you are advocating the self anihilation of the entire human species.



i'll take a helping of A and a little smidgen of B.


the original post was would you rather live in a society that is anarchistic like current iraq is or under a tyrannical regime like iraq was under saddam....and i say either die to get out of either situation...or in the case of anarchy...leave it. anarchy is a joke and a trash society.



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18 Mar 2007, 2:42 am

skafather84 wrote:
AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
suicide is a better option than either....or with anarchy....just leave the crap.


Not really. Either you leave the rest of your nation, including your family, in the same mess, or you are advocating the self anihilation of the entire human species.



i'll take a helping of A and a little smidgen of B.


the original post was would you rather live in a society that is anarchistic like current iraq is or under a tyrannical regime like iraq was under saddam....and i say either die to get out of either situation...or in the case of anarchy...leave it. anarchy is a joke and a trash society.


Have there been many anarchist societies? Define your terms!


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18 Mar 2007, 3:23 am

AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
suicide is a better option than either....or with anarchy....just leave the crap.


Not really. Either you leave the rest of your nation, including your family, in the same mess, or you are advocating the self anihilation of the entire human species.



i'll take a helping of A and a little smidgen of B.


the original post was would you rather live in a society that is anarchistic like current iraq is or under a tyrannical regime like iraq was under saddam....and i say either die to get out of either situation...or in the case of anarchy...leave it. anarchy is a joke and a trash society.


Have there been many anarchist societies? Define your terms!


there is really no such thing as an anarchist society. there's just a lacking of law. what most anarchists talk about and dream of is just a hippie pipe-dream of communism and living on a commune farm.



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18 Mar 2007, 3:25 am

We cannot really say it doesn't work untill we try it.

But look on the bright side! After they see just what happens we can all point and laugh at anarchists.



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18 Mar 2007, 9:30 am

If you study life, then any form of government is going to go against a lot of life.

Governments try to help others but they dont help everyone. Those they do not help, they are prejudice. The only way to become unprejudice is to stop helping people or to help everyone. The latter option is impossible but its one that government TRIES to do. It tries because it STARTED helping people. Those it 'didnt' were left out, now, they aren't. The result is more services and charities everyone else has to pay into.

Oddly enough, I think we give the government a large chunk of our change and say 'here, think for us' while we do all the petty work. It should be the other way around. We should be doing the thinking for ourselves. I dont know why people love having others do their thinking but maybe its because people have tough times alone with themselves (no so much the people here).

Anarchist society is that of utopia - no one controlling your actions except your responsible view on life.. its truely as simple as "if it effects someone else, dont do it, but trash yourself all you want" but somehow it turned into the world we know today



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18 Mar 2007, 7:18 pm

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Erlyrisa, How do companies, media, and lobbyists(?) run the United States? Can you specify further?

I have to qualify what I'm saying as I have never been to the USA and do not have any first hand knowledge of things, but I used to work for GE Capital.

GE owns NBC and lobbies government. It is said GE put pressure on government with a threat of bad PR via NBC to get what they want. An example being they were not required to clean up bad polluted sites and soft regulations on GE's activities.


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18 Mar 2007, 8:45 pm

Corvus wrote:
If you study life, then any form of government is going to go against a lot of life.

Governments try to help others but they dont help everyone. Those they do not help, they are prejudice. The only way to become unprejudice is to stop helping people or to help everyone. The latter option is impossible but its one that government TRIES to do. It tries because it STARTED helping people. Those it 'didnt' were left out, now, they aren't. The result is more services and charities everyone else has to pay into.

Oddly enough, I think we give the government a large chunk of our change and say 'here, think for us' while we do all the petty work. It should be the other way around. We should be doing the thinking for ourselves. I dont know why people love having others do their thinking but maybe its because people have tough times alone with themselves (no so much the people here).

Anarchist society is that of utopia - no one controlling your actions except your responsible view on life.. its truely as simple as "if it effects someone else, dont do it, but trash yourself all you want" but somehow it turned into the world we know today


Speak for yourself. Since when have the electorate been absolved of the responsibility to think for themselves? If individuals choose to abdicate from their responsibilities, that is another matter. And a complete absence of services would not be a very desirable outcome, unless a sufficient number of citizens are willing to do their part to run what would formerly have been government controlled services. And surely the same people leaving thinking to elected legislators or executive administrations would be equally unwilling to act responsibly in an anarchist society, where nobody could oblige them to even contribute financially.


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18 Mar 2007, 11:13 pm

AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
Speak for yourself. Since when have the electorate been absolved of the responsibility to think for themselves? If individuals choose to abdicate from their responsibilities, that is another matter. And a complete absence of services would not be a very desirable outcome, unless a sufficient number of citizens are willing to do their part to run what would formerly have been government controlled services. And surely the same people leaving thinking to elected legislators or executive administrations would be equally unwilling to act responsibly in an anarchist society, where nobody could oblige them to even contribute financially.


Come on! Be an anarchist of some form!! All of the cool kids are doing it! Just select a favorite form of anarchism and go with it!! ! :wink:



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18 Mar 2007, 11:31 pm

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AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
Speak for yourself. Since when have the electorate been absolved of the responsibility to think for themselves? If individuals choose to abdicate from their responsibilities, that is another matter. And a complete absence of services would not be a very desirable outcome, unless a sufficient number of citizens are willing to do their part to run what would formerly have been government controlled services. And surely the same people leaving thinking to elected legislators or executive administrations would be equally unwilling to act responsibly in an anarchist society, where nobody could oblige them to even contribute financially.


Come on! Be an anarchist of some form!! All of the cool kids are doing it! Just select a favorite form of anarchism and go with it!! ! :wink:


"All the cool kids are doing it," never seemed a very persuasive argument to me.


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18 Mar 2007, 11:35 pm

AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
"All the cool kids are doing it," never seemed a very persuasive argument to me.

Conform to the dark side! It is your destiny! :D



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18 Mar 2007, 11:38 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
"All the cool kids are doing it," never seemed a very persuasive argument to me.

Conform to the dark side! It is your destiny! :D


I rebel and chose neutrality.


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19 Mar 2007, 12:04 am

Flagg wrote:
I rebel and chose neutrality.

f***er

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