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29 Apr 2015, 1:43 pm

Call me a jerk but people like this grind my gears!


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29 Apr 2015, 2:31 pm

Homophobia, or really the persecution of homosexuality which homophobia motivates, serves the same purpose as opposition to birth control (and the general repression of female sexuality), and opposition to "sodomy" or "unnatural acts" as practiced by heterosexual couples. The point is to prevent any dissociation between sexual pleasure and reproductive responsibility - to artificially inflate the "price" of sexual pleasure.

Religion is the means by which these policies are effected, but I think the motivation behind them has more to do with political economy. Whether they be serfs, slaves, or factory workers, one cannot permit one's labor force to self-regulate their population pressure if one wishes to continue exploiting them effectively.


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29 Apr 2015, 4:40 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:
Call me a jerk but people like this grind my gears!



Well...I did learn ONE thing from watching him.

I learned that homosexuality was invented in 1928!

And that it was invented by Hollywood!

Homosexuality never existed anywhere until Hollywood made a movie called "the Camera Man" in 1928 (I believe that was still in the silent era).

Damn! Ya learn sumpin' every day!

I wonder if they patented it. :D



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29 Apr 2015, 5:03 pm

Just Googled it.

"The Camera Man" is a Buster Keaton silent comedy classic.

It centers on a heterosexual love story between the title character ( a male camera man played by Keaton), and a young lady.

It does have a comedy scene involving two men sharing a dressing room that somebody might conceivably read homosexuality into- but that would be kind of a stretch. So I dont know where he gets that that movie "makes homosexuality look cool", or even has anything to do with homosexuality.



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30 Apr 2015, 5:43 pm

I always thought people were homophobic because they associated it with HIV/AIDS and pedophilia.


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30 Apr 2015, 6:24 pm

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I always thought people were homophobic because they associated it with HIV/AIDS and pedophilia.


If you're addressing the OP who is asking about the "origin" of homophobia then the first part of that is absurd.

Homophobia LONG predated AIDs/HIV. Its codefied in the Bible after all.

In modern times homosexuality does get associated with pedophilia despite the fact that pedophiles can be either hetero, or homo, in the their taste in children to victimize.

If you're saying that there was an upward spike in homophobia in the Eighties because of HIV/Aids then that might well be true. But that doesnt explain the thousands of years tradition of homophobia that already existed.



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30 Apr 2015, 7:37 pm

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I think homophobia just comes from the innate hatred people have for others who aren't like themselves. Some people learn how to overcome this hatred, but many do not, and shockingly, some people even think that this hatred is justified, and they encourage it! Human nature is a very, very f**ked-up thing.
I think such hatred and ignorance is a sickening thing in a way it is no different from racism or hatred of autistic people. I have lost faith in humanity because of vile garbage such as this.


Homophobia, racism, and ableism are all pretty much the same thing, just directed at different groups of people.

I wonder how much hatred a gay, black, Jewish, transgender, autistic woman would get from people.



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30 Apr 2015, 9:34 pm

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It has come to my attention since the eternal debate whether or not a god exist as to why usually the most extreme religious people tend to be homophobic? Is there a correlation between homophobia and monotheistic religions?


The connection is that both are patriarchal.



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01 May 2015, 12:08 am

We have sure came a long ways about homosexuality. Look at this 1950's video on it





What they are actually describing is pedophilia.


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01 May 2015, 5:54 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I think homophobia just comes from the innate hatred people have for others who aren't like themselves. Some people learn how to overcome this hatred, but many do not, and shockingly, some people even think that this hatred is justified, and they encourage it! Human nature is a very, very f**ked-up thing.



That too. But the religious opposition to homosexuality ultimately stems from the fact that it doesn't result in procreation. There have been cultures were homosexuality was tolerated and a good example of one was ancient Greece.



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01 May 2015, 1:19 pm

Lazar_Kaganovich wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I think homophobia just comes from the innate hatred people have for others who aren't like themselves. Some people learn how to overcome this hatred, but many do not, and shockingly, some people even think that this hatred is justified, and they encourage it! Human nature is a very, very f**ked-up thing.



That too. But the religious opposition to homosexuality ultimately stems from the fact that it doesn't result in procreation. There have been cultures were homosexuality was tolerated and a good example of one was ancient Greece.



But the Homosexuality didnt exist back in ancient Greece. Homosexuality wasn't invented until 1928 (according to the guy in that film clip above!).



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01 May 2015, 4:15 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:
It has come to my attention since the eternal debate whether or not a god exist as to why usually the most extreme religious people tend to be homophobic? Is there a correlation between homophobia and monotheistic religions?


Well, lets pretend for a second that the old testament and the new was written by humans and those humans, even if they were divinely inspired, still had the chance to color the text with their own points of view. Now, lets also look at other things in the bible that just happened to be aligned with health issues - for instance keeping kosher was a good way of reducing the risk of a lot of illnesses and diseases. People knew this at the time. Is it really coincidence that it made it in to the bible to keep Kosher? I'm not sure people knew about STD's back in the day, or the cause of them, but the fact is that unprotected homosexual sex results in a much higher rate of transmission of STD's than unprotected heterosexual sex, and its not like they had protection back then. Is it any wonder, then, that it made it in to the bible not to have homosexual sex? (by the way I have no problem with homosexuals, or homosexuals having sex with each other, I'm just stating what I think are basic facts). I don't think its a coincidence. Heck, just going around sleeping with everyone even with heterosexual sex is bad from a public health standpoint - STD's and unwanted kids - so seems to me that telling people to avoid premarital sex in the bible is also not something that made it in there by accident.

On the other hand, if you think that the bible is the direct word of god or something along those lines, well, hey, maybe even god had our best health interests at heart.