Is history about to repeat itself?
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I think the best solution, though, is to establish new holons in rural areas, in places where the land is cheap and the government unobtrusive. Just don't expect them to do anything for you; you will be in a red state, given the two specifications I mentioned. But you can build cheap houses there, and practise subsistence farming using what we now know to get much higher yields with much less effort than they got in the 70s. So you don't *need* the government to help, you just need to work together.
Thing is, though, those vast tracts of land are kept vacant for the recreational use of all Americans. If it was parceled up and sold off to private business, then only a few individuals would benefit, while the rest of us would be barred from using that land for hiking, camping, picnicking, yes, even hunting(!), etc. And yes, people would be hired to work jobs there in those new businesses - but probably at a low wage with no benefits, replacing the federal workers assigned to said tracts of land who make great wages, and get great benefits.
No, it really, really wouldn't be. There is no reason why such land would be sold in vast tracts to a few rich people - there is no reason why such land would be *sold* at all, rather than, ya' know, homesteaded.
Homesteaded? That might have been appealing in the 19th century, when people could successfully live out in the middle of nowhere, raising cattle and growing crops, but I really can't see anyone doing that today - or even wanting to. Our society has changed dramatically since old west days. And even so, that would still leave out most Americans who only want to visit beautiful natural areas for recreation, but not actually live there.
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Ask any German who lived through the Nazi-Era, and they will tell you, what they see happening in America to them looks exactly like what happened in Germany, shortly before massive amounts of Jews™ were rounded up for the slaughter-house. For your information, they didn't even have to be a Jew, just suspected of being Jewish, and it was not uncommon for people to disappear and nobody knew where they went nor did anybody hear from them again either.
...some of those Germans will even go on to say: "Are you Americans f*****g crazy!? What you're doing is exactly what WE were doing in Germany when Hitler came into power ! Have you Americans not even bothered to learn anything from history!?"
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...some of those Germans will even go on to say: "Are you Americans f*****g crazy!? What you're doing is exactly what WE were doing in Germany when Hitler came into power ! Have you Americans not even bothered to learn anything from history!?"
So how many Germans who lived through the Nazi era have you asked and how many have told you that it looks even remotely like what happened in Germany, much less exactly like what happened in Germany?
I would bet that you didn't ask anyone -- it's nothing but your imagination.
The link you provided is nothing but paranoia.
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I do know a few Germans but you'll be hard-pressed to actually find (kind of like trying to actually find any Indians as referenced by George Carlin) those who are still alive as they're typically now going to be amongst the elderly amongst the population. Hitler was voted in by 98% of the entire population of Germany/Austria.
I would bet that you didn't ask anyone -- it's nothing but your imagination.
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...dumb-asses making asinine posts who clearly seem to think that history somehow does not repeat (despite repeating it like a dumb-ass).
P.S.: Here you go with some "evidence" of a German/Austrian-survivor who lived through the Nazi-German Holocaust-Era describing the "parallels" between Nazi-Germany & Present-Day America indeed describing parallels. I know you won't bother to watch or listen to it of course (due to being too busy taking too much American-Television up your ass to be able to back up any of your claims with any actual evidence)~

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Any argument that something is happening again because it can happen again is fatally flawed and therefore frivolous and not even worth considering.
Furthermore, what Scolia was referring to was internment camps in the United States for Japanese so that they would not give aid to the Japanese military. He was not referring in any form or fashion to the German concentration camps.
If you know much about World War II, you may have heard of the Niihau incident. If not, look it up. That was, I think, sufficient reason to compel our leaders during World War II to exercise caution.
As far as video links, I rarely bother to watch them. If you have something to say, you should learn to make a coherent written argument it instead of merely posting a link to some video and thinking that you did anything.
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The fact that you'd use Government-Originated of information for an argument shows your lack of effort.
Furthermore, what Scolia was referring to was internment camps in the United States for Japanese so that they would not give aid to the Japanese military. He was not referring in any form or fashion to the German concentration camps.
If you know much about World War II, you may have heard of the Niihau incident. If not, look it up. That was, I think, sufficient reason to compel our leaders during World War II to exercise caution.
As far as video links, I rarely bother to watch them. If you have something to say, you should learn to make a coherent written argument it instead of merely posting a link to some video and thinking that you did anything.
I can pull up the Wikipedia-entries for both the Ni'Hau Incident and that of the WTC-Incident and can clearly see that they are both rather incomplete with its reports/descriptions coming mostly from "government/official" sources (rather dated ones at that) with zero mention of how alternate-theories are actually invalid (hint: because they cannot be debunked due to being examined by real scientists/investigators/researchers rather than those pseudo-scientific government-shills), the 911 entry makes NO mention about nano-thermite, does not address Molecular-Dissassociation, etc., amongst many other things that officialdom-aligned sources keep trying to avoid intentionally (i.e.: behaviours of politicians and the hell if I'm going to trust anybody who behaves like one).
It's clear to me that you're one of those people and historically I know well enough that any dialogue with types like you is nothing more than a waste of time due to your combination of dishonesty and laziness.

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Utter rubbish, but this sort of nonsense is all too common on internet forums.
America is a multiracial empire. It is ruled from the top by capitalist oligarchs and internationalist Jews. Its founding white population is being displaced and replaced by Hispanics, Asians, Africans etc. It is pretty much the exact opposite of the sort of society the National Socialists were trying to build.
It seems some people who don't like what's become of America find it far more difficult to face up to the simple facts about what sort of society it is than to spout a load of Alex Jones type nonsense about how proto-Nazis are really in charge.
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Oh, look, another one of those "Useful-Idiots"™ who parrots s**t while simultaneously demonstrating extreme ignorance and laziness. Here, I have another presentation by Kitty Werthmann, I know you won't bother to listen to her.
Utter rubbish, but this sort of nonsense is all too common on internet forums.
America is a multiracial empire. It is ruled from the top by capitalist oligarchs and internationalist Jews. Its founding white population is being displaced and replaced by Hispanics, Asians, Africans etc. It is pretty much the exact opposite of the sort of society the National Socialists were trying to build.
It seems some people who don't like what's become of America find it far more difficult to face up to the simple facts about what sort of society it is than to spout a load of Alex Jones type nonsense about how proto-Nazis are really in charge.
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Lol, you're one of these people who claim they don't believe anything the powers-that-be tell them, and yet somehow you believe everything the powers-that-be tell you about how evil National Socialist Germany was.
If you tried re-examining the s**t the powers-that-be have told you about that particular regime, then you might actually understand the modern world a bit better.
True, but not for lack of trying by those who wish it would happen again. The 2009 federal "National Emergency Centers Establishment Act" (H.R. 645) was intended to fund the building of "national emergency centers on military installations." Living in the western United States, I grew up knowing that federal "military installations" include thousands of square miles of abject nothingness. They would be the obvious locations to place such "national emergency centers." While we are at it, what exactly would be these "centers"? Again, coming from Utah, I grew up learning all about our few WWII-era concentration, er, "relocation" camps (some were at "military installations," too).
We know from the leaked U.S. Army document entitled FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations ( http://info.publicintelligence.net/USAr ... lement.pdf ) that was prepared for the U.S. Department of Defense and released originally on a restricted basis to the DoD in February 2010 contains plans for "political activists" to be pacified by "PSYOP officers" into developing an "appreciation of U.S. policies" while detained in military camps inside the United States. The document made it clear that its policies apply "within U.S. territory" and, like H.R. 645, involve "DOD support to U.S. civil authorities for domestic emergencies, and for designated law enforcement and other activities," including "man-made disasters, accidents, terrorist attacks and incidents in the U.S. and its territories."
The manual states that "These operations may be performed as domestic civil support operations," and adds that "The authority to approve resettlement such operations within U.S. territories," would require a "special exception" to The Posse Comitatus Act, which can be obtained from "the President invoking his executive authority." The document also makes reference to identifying detainees using their "social security number." In 2009, the National Guard posted a number of job opportunities looking for "Internment/Resettlement Specialists" to work in "civilian internee camps" within the United States. In 2011, it was also revealed that Halliburton subsidiary KBR is seeking sub-contractors to staff and outfit "emergency environment" camps located in five regions of the United States. In 2006, KBR was contracted by Homeland Security to build detention centers designed to deal with "an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S," or the rapid development of unspecified "new programs" that would require large numbers of people to be interned.
With such work already completed or underway, the necessity of legislation like H.R. 645 becomes a lot more practical and understandable in combination of the various facts that each provision unveils.
So, that raises the question of which "political activists" would most likely be considered needing an "appreciation of U.S. policies" at "national emergency centers" (a.k.a. "civilian internee camps") where "Internment/Resettlement Specialists" would work in within the United States using internees' "social security number[s]"? I would proffer that the political activists would include, but not be limited to, those who oppose the federal government's most strident new policies (firearm owners, constitutionalists, libertarians among others).
Now, does it seem so unlikely that it could happen again? The pieces are largely in place. All that is needed is a reason.
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While I'm not a yank I'd say thinks are not going well here in Scandinavia either. Finding a job is getting harder and harder, I hardly know anyone who has a job, aside from those who got positions from friends or relatives. There's political corruption, more crime, mass Immigration and outsourcing of our resources. To top it off the terror threat is so high, we've actually supplied our police force with firearms in certain areas, absolutely apaling.
Anyhow, we are in the after shock of a financial crack as in the late 20s, however it seems to draw out longer. Mostly due to leading governments bailing out the morons who screwed up the economy in the first place. It does not take a genius to see that inflating imaginative non existent values will enviably collapse. How people could abandon the gold standard in favour of this ridiculous system we now have is beyond me. So yes I feel a complete economic collapse is not only plausible, it is inevitable.
It's not so much history repeating itself as it is the same bovine manure we've had trough out history, the rich exploiting the poor, the powerful enslaving the less fortunate, only now this is happening on a global scale.
In conclusion I've joined the prepper movement and am eagerly awaiting the apocolypse in my bunker stuffed with supplies.
May God have mercy on us all.
Great! That makes you a "yank" in my opinion. Hope for the best, but plan for the worst. I have prepped for about 11 years now. It is fun and useful, and it saves money! I have taught my family and friends to prep, too.
After all, I believe that the whole planet is under attack. Who are the attackers? Watch for the people who are smiling at the end of the day. Why are they smiling?!?
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Utter rubbish, but this sort of nonsense is all too common on internet forums.
America is a multiracial empire. It is ruled from the top by capitalist oligarchs and internationalist Jews. Its founding white population is being displaced and replaced by Hispanics, Asians, Africans etc. It is pretty much the exact opposite of the sort of society the National Socialists were trying to build.
It seems some people who don't like what's become of America find it far more difficult to face up to the simple facts about what sort of society it is than to spout a load of Alex Jones type nonsense about how proto-Nazis are really in charge.
I am suspicious of anyone who claims there are similarities between Adolf Hitler and Barack Obama, because they obviously have a fringe element agenda.
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Furthermore, what Scolia was referring to was internment camps in the United States for Japanese so that they would not give aid to the Japanese military. He was not referring in any form or fashion to the German concentration camps.
If you know much about World War II, you may have heard of the Niihau incident. If not, look it up. That was, I think, sufficient reason to compel our leaders during World War II to exercise caution.
As far as video links, I rarely bother to watch them. If you have something to say, you should learn to make a coherent written argument it instead of merely posting a link to some video and thinking that you did anything.
I can pull up the Wikipedia-entries for both the Ni'Hau Incident and that of the WTC-Incident and can clearly see that they are both rather incomplete with its reports/descriptions coming mostly from "government/official" sources (rather dated ones at that) with zero mention of how alternate-theories are actually invalid (hint: because they cannot be debunked due to being examined by real scientists/investigators/researchers rather than those pseudo-scientific government-shills), the 911 entry makes NO mention about nano-thermite, does not address Molecular-Dissassociation, etc., amongst many other things that officialdom-aligned sources keep trying to avoid intentionally (i.e.: behaviours of politicians and the hell if I'm going to trust anybody who behaves like one).
It's clear to me that you're one of those people and historically I know well enough that any dialogue with types like you is nothing more than a waste of time due to your combination of dishonesty and laziness.

Where did your posting about 911 come from? Trying to fabricate a strawman argument?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... il/395012/
So, a lot of people are perfectly happy to pay the criminal justice system all that it needs to incarcerate people with mental illnesses, but would scoff at paying for adequate mental health care, that might help them become more productive. It's because in the mind of such people, they don't deserve it: They only deserve humiliation and punishment for their failure to become self-sufficient. In my opinion, beliefs held by such people are examples of what is wrong with this country.
For many with severe mental illness, full self-sufficiency is not possible. These people need supports, not being forced to pursue an unrealistic goal. Historically, human societies have not been so individualistic so as to demand that every member be self-sufficient; it's a feature of this country and it hurts a lot of people.
And I agree, this country has got it coming to it. I believe that when World War III comes, we'll be like Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan. We'll be the aggressors and we'll be the ones with our butts handed to us, with our cities in ruins, with the victors imposing their will upon us.
That's what amazes me. We will gleefully pay enormous amounts of money to punish people we consider "bad" (whether they are actual criminals, or simply the wrong class or race) but get furious if we have to pay a penny to an unfortunate person because we deem them unworthy! I truly think American culture is sadistic and cruel, and it sucks that our values are spreading to the rest of the world.
Anyhow, we are in the after shock of a financial crack as in the late 20s, however it seems to draw out longer. Mostly due to leading governments bailing out the morons who screwed up the economy in the first place. It does not take a genius to see that inflating imaginative non existent values will enviably collapse. How people could abandon the gold standard in favour of this ridiculous system we now have is beyond me. So yes I feel a complete economic collapse is not only plausible, it is inevitable.
It's not so much history repeating itself as it is the same bovine manure we've had trough out history, the rich exploiting the poor, the powerful enslaving the less fortunate, only now this is happening on a global scale.
In conclusion I've joined the prepper movement and am eagerly awaiting the apocolypse in my bunker stuffed with supplies.
May God have mercy on us all.
That's awful

