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11 Jun 2015, 8:19 pm

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I do not think we are doing a good job on the basics, and National Defense is a disgrace.


I think our department of defense is a disgrace too, but I'm guessing we don't agree on why.

I think it's disgraceful that more than half of my federal taxes are sunk into it. That we spend more on our military than the next several countries combined.

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Across the board, most people seek quality education, leading to good jobs, with health care, dental, and some retirement.

At the same time robotics, software, offshoring production, and HB-1 labor, and illegals, are undercutting the market for humans.

The jobs of the future will take education, so social support systems, Universities, Government backing, to even be in the running for the huge investments needed in future industries.


See above wrt. defense budget.

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The Right has an incentive to make it work for the most people, The Left just complains.
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First, lets clear something up.

We have a center-right party and a far-right party. There are leftists out there, such as myself and Bernie Sanders (or at least long-lost Dark Haired Bernie Sanders), but we don't have a major party representing us.

Tell me what this incentive the RNC has to "make it work for the most people" that the DNC does not?

Also, I'd like to hear what right-wing politicians were doing to make "it" work for the most people over the last 6 years.



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12 Jun 2015, 1:27 pm

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There are also priorities. Some things are mandated, the Health Education and Welfare of the People.

I do not think we are doing a good job on the basics, and National Defense is a disgrace.

Across the board, most people seek quality education, leading to good jobs, with health care, dental, and some retirement.

At the same time robotics, software, offshoring production, and HB-1 labor, and illegals, are undercutting the market for humans.

The jobs of the future will take education, so social support systems, Universities, Government backing, to even be in the running for the huge investments needed in future industries.

Everyone is seeking security in an unsecure world. Showing good management at the State level, paying your debts, not spending on non core issues, is what it takes to partner with Business.

Someone who moved here last month, got a drivers license, is not a Stockholder in the State. They are owed nothing. On the other side, the State has no claim on those who left for lack of economic opportunity.

The Right has an incentive to make it work for the most people, The Left just complains.

The U.S. literally spent $1.3 Trillion on the military for the past year and is on track to spend even more this year, especially if Congress gets around to passing the Syrian resolution ordering a full U.S. military intervention in Syria (The Republicans are pushing it, while most Democrats are war weary).

The top 4 U.S. budgetary items are as follows:

Military: $1.3 Trillion
Social Security: ~$900 Billion
Medicare/Medicad: ~$700 Billion
Everything else: ~$700 Billion

By the end of this budgetary year the military budget should be bigger than Social Security and Medicare/Medicad combined!

Have you seen the proposed budget from the Right in the House and the proposed budget blue print from the Right that passed the Senate?

Both plan to cut $5+ Trillion in government spending within 10 years, by taking an axe to everything that isn't military spending.
Education, welfare, food stamps, Social Security, higher education (including student aid), infrastructure spending and practically everything else gets huge cuts.
Though the military gets a huge increase in spending.

Oh and the Senate blue print also gives congress the power to repeal Obamacare by a simple majority vote (51 votes in the Senate).
Obviously neither will become law other than the repeal Obamacare provision, which will obviously get vetoed.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/h ... 16141.html
http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/f ... eprint.pdf
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/05/politics/ ... -congress/

Not to mention the states with Republican majorities have taken an axe to their budgets slashing everything significantly, while raising taxes on middle and lower classes, while giving businesses and the rich tax breaks and credits.

Kansas is literally on the verge of bankruptcy to do the governor and his right wing allies carried out massive tax cuts for the upper class and the rich, while giving them huge tax credits claiming it would spur their economy leading to a net surplus.
It didn't happen, businesses and the rich took that money and put it else where, leaving Kansas in it's current position.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/political-d ... 1420822525

Though a few weeks ago the Kansas legislature reversed the tax cuts and override the governor by rolling back most of this tax cuts and credits.

Maryland is suffering with budget shortfall when their newly elected Republican governor pulled something similar.

My state of Michigan is suffering from huge rises in education costs, crumbling roads, and many other issues as been posted in this thread, despite the governor and his party giving massive tax cuts to the rich and businesses along with tons of tax credits for investing in Michigan...
Well it didn't boost job creation at all after 6 years, and Michigan is near the bottom list of states with job creation.

The states of the Deep South including Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Arkansas (the 49th poorest state), Mississippi (the poorest state), Tennessee, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina all have regular Republican right majorities since the WWII, leaving them under developed and poor (they literally are the poorest states in the country except for Texas).
Texas on the other hand has the second biggest economy in the country, with at half of their population below the poverty line.

These states plus Kansas, Missouri, Virginia, and West Virginia receive more money from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes.

States such as California, Washington, Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, New York, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, CT, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, pay more in federal taxes than they get in federal funding.

These states are called donor states and are normally governed as Center/Center Left.

With that said the Right incentives the rich and businesses to invest via tax cuts, tax credits, and tax holidays.

The Center and Left incentives people by funding education, start ups, and giving companies incentives to stay and expand while punishing those who take advantage of the system. They also make it appoint to stop disabled people and the elderly from being driven into the streets from healthcare costs and lack of income.


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12 Jun 2015, 8:11 pm

xenocity wrote:
Inventor wrote:

There are also priorities. Some things are mandated, the Health Education and Welfare of the People.

I do not think we are doing a good job on the basics, and National Defense is a disgrace.

Across the board, most people seek quality education, leading to good jobs, with health care, dental, and some retirement.

At the same time robotics, software, offshoring production, and HB-1 labor, and illegals, are undercutting the market for humans.

The jobs of the future will take education, so social support systems, Universities, Government backing, to even be in the running for the huge investments needed in future industries.

Everyone is seeking security in an unsecure world. Showing good management at the State level, paying your debts, not spending on non core issues, is what it takes to partner with Business.

Someone who moved here last month, got a drivers license, is not a Stockholder in the State. They are owed nothing. On the other side, the State has no claim on those who left for lack of economic opportunity.

The Right has an incentive to make it work for the most people, The Left just complains.

The U.S. literally spent $1.3 Trillion on the military for the past year and is on track to spend even more this year, especially if Congress gets around to passing the Syrian resolution ordering a full U.S. military intervention in Syria (The Republicans are pushing it, while most Democrats are war weary).

The top 4 U.S. budgetary items are as follows:

Military: $1.3 Trillion
Social Security: ~$900 Billion
Medicare/Medicad: ~$700 Billion
Everything else: ~$700 Billion

By the end of this budgetary year the military budget should be bigger than Social Security and Medicare/Medicad combined!

Have you seen the proposed budget from the Right in the House and the proposed budget blue print from the Right that passed the Senate?

Both plan to cut $5+ Trillion in government spending within 10 years, by taking an axe to everything that isn't military spending.
Education, welfare, food stamps, Social Security, higher education (including student aid), infrastructure spending and practically everything else gets huge cuts.
Though the military gets a huge increase in spending.

Oh and the Senate blue print also gives congress the power to repeal Obamacare by a simple majority vote (51 votes in the Senate).
Obviously neither will become law other than the repeal Obamacare provision, which will obviously get vetoed.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/h ... 16141.html
http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/f ... eprint.pdf
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/05/politics/ ... -congress/

Not to mention the states with Republican majorities have taken an axe to their budgets slashing everything significantly, while raising taxes on middle and lower classes, while giving businesses and the rich tax breaks and credits.

Kansas is literally on the verge of bankruptcy to do the governor and his right wing allies carried out massive tax cuts for the upper class and the rich, while giving them huge tax credits claiming it would spur their economy leading to a net surplus.
It didn't happen, businesses and the rich took that money and put it else where, leaving Kansas in it's current position.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/political-d ... 1420822525

Though a few weeks ago the Kansas legislature reversed the tax cuts and override the governor by rolling back most of this tax cuts and credits.

Maryland is suffering with budget shortfall when their newly elected Republican governor pulled something similar.

My state of Michigan is suffering from huge rises in education costs, crumbling roads, and many other issues as been posted in this thread, despite the governor and his party giving massive tax cuts to the rich and businesses along with tons of tax credits for investing in Michigan...
Well it didn't boost job creation at all after 6 years, and Michigan is near the bottom list of states with job creation.

The states of the Deep South including Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Arkansas (the 49th poorest state), Mississippi (the poorest state), Tennessee, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina all have regular Republican right majorities since the WWII, leaving them under developed and poor (they literally are the poorest states in the country except for Texas).
Texas on the other hand has the second biggest economy in the country, with at half of their population below the poverty line.

These states plus Kansas, Missouri, Virginia, and West Virginia receive more money from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes.

States such as California, Washington, Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, New York, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, CT, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, pay more in federal taxes than they get in federal funding.

These states are called donor states and are normally governed as Center/Center Left.

With that said the Right incentives the rich and businesses to invest via tax cuts, tax credits, and tax holidays.

The Center and Left incentives people by funding education, start ups, and giving companies incentives to stay and expand while punishing those who take advantage of the system. They also make it appoint to stop disabled people and the elderly from being driven into the streets from healthcare costs and lack of income.



Obviously, the red states just need more freedom to do what they are already doing, except much harder.



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13 Jun 2015, 4:54 am

The right always speaks about not speaking out enough. What they mean to say is "why don't we make our politics our raison d'etre?" You know... it's sort of a good thing that we don't make everything in life about politics. There are parts of life that deserve to be depoliticized and remain apolitical. But it's no way to fight the Left, who are more then happy to politicize music, art, hobbies, grade-school, food, sporting events, award shows and parades, etc.

When the Right does speak out against the Left, it's often a pointless pursuit. It often seems that they don't know how to reach the conscience of those who aren't already conservative, either with something that's relevant, or without being mean & bitter.


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13 Jun 2015, 7:54 am

blauSamstag wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Inventor wrote:

There are also priorities. Some things are mandated, the Health Education and Welfare of the People.

I do not think we are doing a good job on the basics, and National Defense is a disgrace.

Across the board, most people seek quality education, leading to good jobs, with health care, dental, and some retirement.

At the same time robotics, software, offshoring production, and HB-1 labor, and illegals, are undercutting the market for humans.

The jobs of the future will take education, so social support systems, Universities, Government backing, to even be in the running for the huge investments needed in future industries.

Everyone is seeking security in an unsecure world. Showing good management at the State level, paying your debts, not spending on non core issues, is what it takes to partner with Business.

Someone who moved here last month, got a drivers license, is not a Stockholder in the State. They are owed nothing. On the other side, the State has no claim on those who left for lack of economic opportunity.

The Right has an incentive to make it work for the most people, The Left just complains.

The U.S. literally spent $1.3 Trillion on the military for the past year and is on track to spend even more this year, especially if Congress gets around to passing the Syrian resolution ordering a full U.S. military intervention in Syria (The Republicans are pushing it, while most Democrats are war weary).

The top 4 U.S. budgetary items are as follows:

Military: $1.3 Trillion
Social Security: ~$900 Billion
Medicare/Medicad: ~$700 Billion
Everything else: ~$700 Billion

By the end of this budgetary year the military budget should be bigger than Social Security and Medicare/Medicad combined!

Have you seen the proposed budget from the Right in the House and the proposed budget blue print from the Right that passed the Senate?

Both plan to cut $5+ Trillion in government spending within 10 years, by taking an axe to everything that isn't military spending.
Education, welfare, food stamps, Social Security, higher education (including student aid), infrastructure spending and practically everything else gets huge cuts.
Though the military gets a huge increase in spending.

Oh and the Senate blue print also gives congress the power to repeal Obamacare by a simple majority vote (51 votes in the Senate).
Obviously neither will become law other than the repeal Obamacare provision, which will obviously get vetoed.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/h ... 16141.html
http://budget.house.gov/uploadedfiles/f ... eprint.pdf
http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/05/politics/ ... -congress/

Not to mention the states with Republican majorities have taken an axe to their budgets slashing everything significantly, while raising taxes on middle and lower classes, while giving businesses and the rich tax breaks and credits.

Kansas is literally on the verge of bankruptcy to do the governor and his right wing allies carried out massive tax cuts for the upper class and the rich, while giving them huge tax credits claiming it would spur their economy leading to a net surplus.
It didn't happen, businesses and the rich took that money and put it else where, leaving Kansas in it's current position.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/political-d ... 1420822525

Though a few weeks ago the Kansas legislature reversed the tax cuts and override the governor by rolling back most of this tax cuts and credits.

Maryland is suffering with budget shortfall when their newly elected Republican governor pulled something similar.

My state of Michigan is suffering from huge rises in education costs, crumbling roads, and many other issues as been posted in this thread, despite the governor and his party giving massive tax cuts to the rich and businesses along with tons of tax credits for investing in Michigan...
Well it didn't boost job creation at all after 6 years, and Michigan is near the bottom list of states with job creation.

The states of the Deep South including Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, Arkansas (the 49th poorest state), Mississippi (the poorest state), Tennessee, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and North Carolina all have regular Republican right majorities since the WWII, leaving them under developed and poor (they literally are the poorest states in the country except for Texas).
Texas on the other hand has the second biggest economy in the country, with at half of their population below the poverty line.

These states plus Kansas, Missouri, Virginia, and West Virginia receive more money from the federal government than they pay in federal taxes.

States such as California, Washington, Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, New York, Massachusetts, Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, CT, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, pay more in federal taxes than they get in federal funding.

These states are called donor states and are normally governed as Center/Center Left.

With that said the Right incentives the rich and businesses to invest via tax cuts, tax credits, and tax holidays.

The Center and Left incentives people by funding education, start ups, and giving companies incentives to stay and expand while punishing those who take advantage of the system. They also make it appoint to stop disabled people and the elderly from being driven into the streets from healthcare costs and lack of income.



Obviously, the red states just need more freedom to do what they are already doing, except much harder.


The results of history. War, Reconstruction, freeing the slaves, barring Confederates from public office.

The only thing not banned was Churches, and from that rose The Bible Belt.

They voted Democrat until Lyndon Johnson, The Civil Rights Act, and forced integration. That was the second destruction of the South.

The only thing not integrated was the Churches. They started Private Schools.

They identify as Christians, they vote Republican.

They do not want to be taxed to support Liberal Social Programs.

The majority of the freed slaves are still in the same place, 14% nationwide, 50% and more across The Black Belt, which overlaps The Bible Belt.

The Blacks are not an economic productive class, so half of the South works and pays taxes, half lives on Aid To Dependent Children and Food Stamps.

Public Education was destroyed by Integration. To get Blacks through High School, the standards were reduced to GED Levels, half way through the Eighth Grade with a C-. Schools in White areas made them look bad, so students were bussed to bring the White Schools down.

The North, who freed the slaves, who passed The Civil Rights Act, is paying for the results.

The top third of students are in Private Schools, so Public Education has the bottom two-thirds. The same happened with teachers.

The result of Civil Rights is several million Black men in prison. Convicted Felon reduces the Black Vote.

This gives all the County, State and National offices to The Southern Baptists.

Due to history and being outnumbered by freed slaves, they join the Military, a higher percentage of southern whites serve than any other part of the country. They are Militant Christian Nationalists. The Military is their economic lifeline.

So they do vote for Military Spending. They vote against Liberal Social Welfare Programs that are seen as buying the Black Vote.

The Christian Right, The Country Club Republicans, have taken over the Party. Social Conservatives and Tax Avoiding rich are not Economic Conservatives.

Ike was the last Economic Conservative, he had a top tax rate of 95%, paid off the War Debt, rebuilt Europe, built the American Autobahn and in Operation Wetback, deported millions of Mexicans. He defended The Constitution, and warned of the danger of The Military Industrial Complex. Our greatest period of economic growth follows.