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14 Jun 2015, 5:54 pm

But how can he be African-American when his dad is African-African?


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14 Jun 2015, 5:57 pm

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I mean, c'mon. Everyone knows he's half white. By the one-drop rule, he's white.

Chris Rock put it better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDxOSjgl5Z4
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He's probably whiter than most people on this forum.

Mmm. Not me. Not me by a long shot. I don't know what the DNA is for flying reindeer, but both my Y-DNA and mtDNA are about as Celtic/Nordic white as they come. I glow in the dark. :D

That isn't really saying much. A person with two black grandparents (or six black great-grandparents, or 14 great-great-grandparents...) could come out just as "white" as you.

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If Obama wasn't president, he could say the N-word around other inner-city blacks and get away with it.

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14 Jun 2015, 6:16 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
I mean, c'mon. Everyone knows he's half white. By the one-drop rule, he's white.


Several prominent black people have commented that President Obama is not the first black president.

For example, the actor Morgan Freeman

"He's not America's first black president, he's America's first mixed-race president."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/m ... ent-345661



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14 Jun 2015, 6:26 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
But how can he be African-American when his dad is African-African?


His mom is a (white) American. When an African and an American have a child, African-American really is the best fit.



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14 Jun 2015, 6:42 pm

Actually I don't know that, as I haven't bothered looking into his family tree but I've heard rumors...either way wouldn't that make him black and white as in mixed race? Though he certainly looks more black than white, though he does have a more European style nose so I would believe he's at least part white. Not really sure why it should matter to me though, just seems like more straw grasping to discredit the guy....even if he's not 100% African decent I think its safe to say he's the first president of a racial minority to be elected here for whatever that's worth.


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14 Jun 2015, 7:24 pm

The controversial 2012 documentary film Dreams from My Real Father ( http://www.obamasrealfather.com/ ) made several claims, not least of which was that the president's father was Frank Marshall Davis ( https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... eal+father ). If true, the claims would appear to be a game changer in the life and times of Barack Obama.


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14 Jun 2015, 7:53 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
I mean, c'mon. Everyone knows he's half white. By the one-drop rule, he's white.


Who cares? Why is skin colour still such a big issue in the U.S.? The rest of the world has moved on, we don't take a person's ethnicity, nationality, or colour into consideration anymore. This is the 21st, not 19th, century.



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14 Jun 2015, 8:05 pm

The President has African American features, skin, and hair - he's black.
As for being of mixed race - in fact, I think you'd be hard pressed to find any African Americans today without any white ancestry, so most black Americans would technically qualify as mixed race. And not just African Americans, as white indentured servants used to mix genes with blacks imported from Africa back in America's early history, and as hardly all of their kids went on to live as slaves, there are a great many whites today with African ancestry.


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14 Jun 2015, 8:06 pm

Ugh, gimme a break. He could be part Martian and I still wouldn't care. :roll:



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14 Jun 2015, 9:01 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
And yet you could have a black great great great grandmother and still have blond, straight-as-a-board hair, and blue eyes. No one would ever guess. All it takes is a few generations of grandparents marrying and procreating with partners that look like themselves and it buries all the genes from further back. So I don't know how the "one drop" rule applies.
At one point the genes might creep up but the odds are greater they won't. They will just stay recessive until paired with genes like themselves. They could present a little but it would be subtle, as in the shape of the nose or body. Hair could be wavy.


Not quite correct regarding white people's hair. While most white people's hair may seem "straight as a board" relative to most black people's hair, white people's hair actually has a far greater tendency to be wavy.

Among the peoples most likely to have "straight as a board" hair are Han Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese.


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14 Jun 2015, 9:45 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
he certainly looks more black than white
Not really. He doesn't look really dark like the immigrants from Africa who live a few houses down from me. Obama's more of a milky cocoa than black.


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15 Jun 2015, 4:33 am

I recall hearing Native Americans use the term "black white men" to describe the first Africans they encountered.

Speaking of Native Americans, I think they often use the 1/64 rule. I guess it makes sense, since they have suffered even worse oppression than African-Americans in the aggregate.


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15 Jun 2015, 8:42 am

Obama never denied his white heritage.



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15 Jun 2015, 9:43 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
I recall hearing Native Americans use the term "black white men" to describe the first Africans they encountered.

Speaking of Native Americans, I think they often use the 1/64 rule. I guess it makes sense, since they have suffered even worse oppression than African-Americans in the aggregate.

You mean someone who is 1/64 NA can be part of a tribe. Actually it's much stricter than that. Tribes aren't even accepting new members.



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15 Jun 2015, 9:51 am

beneficii wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
And yet you could have a black great great great grandmother and still have blond, straight-as-a-board hair, and blue eyes. No one would ever guess. All it takes is a few generations of grandparents marrying and procreating with partners that look like themselves and it buries all the genes from further back. So I don't know how the "one drop" rule applies.
At one point the genes might creep up but the odds are greater they won't. They will just stay recessive until paired with genes like themselves. They could present a little but it would be subtle, as in the shape of the nose or body. Hair could be wavy.


Not quite correct regarding white people's hair. While most white people's hair may seem "straight as a board" relative to most black people's hair, white people's hair actually has a far greater tendency to be wavy.

Among the peoples most likely to have "straight as a board" hair are Han Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese.

It could be wavy due to a gene from way back they inherited from an African ancestor. Most people cannot trace their ancestry through the generations. Asians are far less likely to have African ancestors for thousands and thousands of years while whites could possibly have some in their background because Africa is much closer to where the caucasians are clustered, traditionally, which would be Europe and some of Russia. And a caucasian might not necessarily have kids with a black partner, rather, one from northern Africa or the middle east, and since these places are either in Africa or very close, the chances some of the people from there will have genes from a black ancestor and this is how they were spread into Europe, through the Roman Empire for one. I haven't heard of anyone who can trace their genes back to the Roman Empire, 2000 + years ago. Maybe some of the royals can, and people in the ME.

It is interesting you noted the fact about Asians because they actually are the ones who are less likely to have black ancestry and if they do, it might be so far back it simply will not show up in their hair so you see a preponderance of straight hair.

Also, people who are native American without any white or black ancestors are likely to have the same hair as the Asians, and they were isolated, too, like the Asian population, from the gene that produces curls or waves, depending on what genes it's paired with.



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15 Jun 2015, 2:44 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Obama never denied his white heritage.


This.

And besides- the USA is not Latin America were "mixed race" is a traditional category.

In the segregated jim crow anglo saxon pre WWII America you were either "Black" or "White". Someone who was 15/16ths Black was socially and even legally defined as "Black", so obviously someone 8/16 Black (like Obama) would also be legally defined as "Black" and would ride in the back of the bus, and probably would not be allowed to vote (much less run for office, much less making it to the White House). And the average "full blooded" Black American is 30 percent White ancestry anyway (almost equal to Obama's genetic mix).

So if you don't like Obama being labeled "Black" take your complaint to the now dead White American law makers of the past who set up the rules.