Christians on the Rampage?

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The problem is that white, christian conservatives are used to being in the dominant majority in America.

As the US becomes more socially progressive and less white, these people are being forced to change and cope with being in a less dominant position.

Most people will adapt, but some won't.

I think we're likely to see a rise in violence from right-leaning, white, christian fundamentalists.

Seems like they don't realize that Jesus is recorded as having healed the servant (pais) (more accurately translated as lover / catamite) of a Roman centurion as a reward for his faith.

They are so selective about choosing what to perpetuate from the Old Testament, complaining about the Court decision while frying their breakfast bacon and putting on their mixed fibre clothes for the day!

True, and I can see that sort of thing happening in my family (thankfully not a blood relative, but still part of the family). This person is so afraid now that homosexuals can marry, they're afraid that Christians are going to be forced to cater to them, and yeah, it's a loss of power. I guess because I've never been in a position of power, I can't relate to losing it. I've never believed Christians should hold sway over the government - separation of church and state, after all. I think this kind of power corrupts and it's better for Christians as a whole if they lose it. I am for equality all around.

Hopefully there won't be too much violence, but I have been seeing a rise in "take back America" type sites, like one that was for rallying an army. I can't remember what it was called, but it was more proof I really can't see the world as they do. I can't imagine they could do any serious damage as far as "taking back" the country, but they seem blinded and don't care who gets in their way.



Yeah, they seem to have completely forgotten what Jesus did and preached, and all they care about now is keeping the status quo, or more like, their power.

In my nightmares, 2016 is 1992 all over again. Donald Trump IS Ross Perot, the populist billionaire who draws votes away from the "ordained" mainstream Republican candidate (likely to be a Bush, as in 1992) and thus causes a somewhat unpopular Democrat (both times a Clinton) who is viewed as being a far-left communist by many to be elected.

The Democrat then embarks on a left-of-center agenda that is misconstrued as being a trojan horse for introducing communism to America. The far right then goes into orbit with rage, and some decide that the ballot box and jury box have failed, so it's time for the ammo box.

Instead of The Turner Diaries being the blueprint, leading to the Oklahoma City bombing, it's a novel called Unintended Consequences, a story about overreaching leftist politicians who provoke a spate of assassinations. So, some trained snipers decide to pick off leftist pols, one by one. Then the pols panic, and suddenly we're in uncharted territory.

An interesting short story dealing with a similar scenario is What I Saw At The Coup by Matt Bracken. (Google it, it only takes about 30 min to read.) In it, a leftist plan to eliminate right wing commentators goes awry and provokes the sniper killings of pols and journalists. The pols panic and request protection, and from there the govt tears itself apart, and the right wins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_Consequences_(novel) is this the novel you're referring to? because there's no politicians in there, just corrupt ATF agents.so your nightmare is essentially gunwank fanfiction by an author on the right about crazy people shooting politicians? do you know what fiction is vs reality?

The point is, I've seen something like this happen before, when Bill Clinton was elected. Many on this forum may not be old enough to remember, but the rage over "Hillarycare" was very similar to that over Obamacare. Also, Clinton was blamed for the Branch Davidian standoff, which was presented by many on the right as an assault on the First Amendment, the evil commies trying to nullify freedom of religion. And to top it all off, there was the national Assault Weapons Ban and the belief that the Feds were coming for people's guns. A few guys on the fringes read The Turner Diaries where the FBI building is partially blown up with a fertilizer bomb, and decided it was time to act.

What would politicians do if suddenly they started being picked off one by one by faceless snipers? If you don't want "gunwank fanfiction" try Vince Flynn's first novel, Term Limits. Pretty much the same scenario. My point is, there are people out there crazy and skilled enough to target pols in sniper fashion to "start a revolution". Let me be clear, I doubt they could truly cause a popular uprising unless DC overreacted in an extreme fashion. But if Jerad Miller and Dylan Roof thought they could, why not a few others?

by Hillarycare do you mean the bill that the Heritage Foundation backed in 1989? the same Heritage Foundation that is a Conservative think tank?

also the branch davidians were a cult that was amassing illegal weaponry and Black powder explosives, it's not a matter of the 1st amendment being violated.probably because of the hilariously outsized military the US government has at it's disposal, not to mention the national guard.

Good luck finding a "leftist" in this country that knows which end of a rifle to stick the boollits in, let alone one that is a good enough marksman.

The Ruby Ridge and Waco standoffs and resulting clusterfarks were the fault of Stephen Higgins, then head of the ATF, who you will find was appointed in 1983 when Ronald Reagan was in office.

Higgins was a drunk and a grandstander who loved getting in front of cameras. Why do you think he showed up at the branch davidian compound with TV crews in tow?

You can blame Bill for not ordering Higgins to stand down, but you can't blame him for Higgins' being a stupid, drunk, vane butthole.

And what was Obama's Ruby Ridge? Obama's Waco? It was a racist SOB in california who doesn't want to pay his rent. People came out of the woodwork to support that crap stain, and directly threatened federal agents with firearms, and nobody died. Nobody is rotting in prison. Obama ordered them to stand down.

I saw Christians rampaging a few minutes ago on the way home!

They were standing on the corner of a busy intersection with homemade signs written out on poster boards with magic markers that read "God loves you," "Jesus loves you," and "God Answers Prayers."

I think that the problem is you word choice: "rampage".

"Rampaging" would be like rioting, trashing, looting, mass arson, etc. Thats my mental image from the word. Thats not likely to happen.

But I agree that the Evangelical part of the population does think that things have gone too far, and that this same sex marriage stuff maybe the final straw. And that they are already getting militant about a counter attack (figuritively speaking-not a literal military action).

Trouble is that one of the effects of this would be to split the GOP between the more libertarian wing on one hand- and the more dominionist religous right wing on the other. So if the Evangelicals were smart -they would wait until after the election to make their stink about things-so they dont divide the GOP so much that the Dems can conquer.

I wish your Democrats had someone strong running other than Hillary, with her baggage. Fresh ideas are always good. Is Bernie Sanders still in the running? -he's unfortunately a bit old to stand a chance?

Maybe if a fundamentalist becomes the GOP candidate then Donald Trump may well choose to stand against that someone and split the vote? I am no fan of his but find US politics quite fascinating.

I chose that word for a reason and that reason is the words of Mike Huckabee who encouraged Christians to commit acts of civil disobedience.

I hate to brake it to you, but we progressives are also smart enough to figure out how a gun works very quickly...

We do have one. His name is Bernie Sanders. Wait for the first debate and you'll see what I'm talking about. He'll give Hillary a run for her money and very possibly beat her and win the presidency. He's been incredibly consistent through many years...

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I really doubt that Sanders will win the Primaries. The fact that he's a Socialist is likely going to scare a lot of people off, especially if they're right-leaning liberals who tend to vote for Centrists. Plus, the country has literally never had a far-left liberal President before, and many people are misinformed enough to think that all far-leftists are Marxists/Communists. Many people simply don't know what Socialism is.

I really wish that Sanders did stand a chance (I'd personally love to have him as President, and I think he'd do great things for our country), but I'm almost certain that Hillary will win the Primaries.