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31 Mar 2007, 1:45 pm

The bible implements social Darwinism.



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31 Mar 2007, 1:49 pm

That isn't a valid reason for god being evil. He might have killed them but they live forever in the kingdom of heaven.

You are going to have to find a more valid reason for the bible being evil. :twisted:



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31 Mar 2007, 3:25 pm

This story was explained on South Park also.



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31 Mar 2007, 3:36 pm

First, they believe in an invisible friend.

Now it's an invisible enemy.

What will the bible-bashers think up next?


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31 Mar 2007, 4:19 pm

Flagg wrote:
First, they believe in an invisible friend.

Now it's an invisible enemy.

What will the bible-bashers think up next?


BIBLE IS EVIL this one I guess.



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31 Mar 2007, 6:07 pm

Flagg wrote:
First, they believe in an invisible friend.

Now it's an invisible enemy.

What will the bible-bashers think up next?


Nothing invisible about it. Not in my view at least. God is
everywhere, and everything. Happens to be evil too, but
that's ok - gives me some purpose.



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31 Mar 2007, 6:22 pm

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The book of Job from the bible proves God is evil. This is how I see the story in the book of Job.
Job was happy and faithful, he had everything, a large healthy family, friends, a good business, land and a good home. The devil went to God and said "this guy Job is only happy and faithful becuse he has so much, take it away and he will not like you anymore."
God said, "ok, lets see if you are right, you can screw with the guy, but you can't hurt him. anything else is fair game."
God is letting someone screw with one of his moist faithful just to prove a point.
So the Devil takes everything away from Job, kills all his family and friends. Job was angry but he never lost faith.
In the Bible it says God gave it all back tenfold to Job, but God could not bring back all his dead friends and family, could he?
God let one of his most faithful followers suffer and loose his most prized, his orginal family and friends just so God could prove a point to the devil.
The book of job proves to me that God is evil.


Is Job the guy who lets the village men rape his daughters in order to protect the angel hiding in his house from being gang-raped?

E2A: and they let children read this? :o



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31 Mar 2007, 11:21 pm

The bible doesn't prove anything. Logic proves it.


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31 Mar 2007, 11:32 pm

The bible also calls God one of the worst of sinners. "Wrath" is one of the seven deadly sins, and in multiple places in the bible it talks about "God's wrath."



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01 Apr 2007, 1:38 am

I don't believe in God.

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02 Apr 2007, 9:19 pm

Awwwwwwwwww

G-d sucks eggs


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02 Apr 2007, 9:50 pm

God is just a lonely loser who made us and tells us that because he made us he somehow has the right to tell us we must love him and have a relationship with him.



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03 Apr 2007, 6:45 am

hale_bopp wrote:
calandale wrote:
Some of us see this as the fundemental issue of our faith. Sorry to bore you.


I'm just sick of hearing him whine on about god and blaming the entity for his problems.


He did not even mention his own problems, hale_bopp (nice Eye of Sauron by the way). His issue is with the apparently completely arbitrary nature of the God portrayed in the book of Job. Loss of children and having his wife tell him to curse God and die (well she had lost her offspring as well and her husband was afflicted with boils) do not appear to be adequately compensated by a restoral and indeed increase of his livestock, though new children are also born. His three best friends are convinced that he must be really evil to have merited all these exemplary punishments from God, whose answer when it comes does not appear to address the rather reasonable questions that Job and the reader are left with. And the problem of evil and suffering more generally IS a serious issue, which the book of Job does not appear to remedy exactly.

Elsewhere in the Old and New Testament another issue many people have is with the harshment of God's judgement (at least preferable to amoral and arbitrary suffering some might argue). It is a distortion to separate Old and New Testament in a dichotomy of justice and mercy, law and grace, works and faith etc. These aspects are spread through both Testaments (hence my wrath with Flagg in another thread over his remarks about the alleged difference between the Islamic, Christian and Jewish concepts of God; the Qur'an similarly combines mercy and justice (some may balk at this word here).

Within one book of the Tanak (Torah, Nevi'im and Ketuvim, "law/instruction, prophets and writings") also known as the Hebrew scriptures or Old Testament (I will try to avoid the latter term from here on in as it may offend Jewish readers) Yeshayahu/Isaiah words of mercy and judgement sit side by side within the same chapter, even sometimes the same verse. To begin with the first chapter:

Hear O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the LORD/YHWH has spoken, I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against me.
The ox knoweth its owner, and the ass (donkey) its master's crib: but Israel does not know, my people does not consider.
Ah, sinful nation, a people laden with iniquity, a seed of evildoers, children that are corrupters: they have forsaken the LORD, they have provoked the Holy One of Israel unto anger, they have gone away backward.
Why should ye be stricken any more? Ye will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart is faint. (Isaiah 1:2-5)

Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil.
Learn to do well; seek justice, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool
if ye be willing and obedient, ye shall see the good of the land. (Isaiah 1:16-19).

Actually within each of those passages there is not really any absolute dichotomy between mercy and justice. There is a passionate concern for social justice as well as religious fidelity to the LORD evident in the pages of this book. More later; for now I shall say that in the context of that time or our own, delayed judgement would not be merciful, it would be apathetic and callous indifference to human suffering and evil to allow oppression to continue indefinitely.

Actually, I have decided to close with

In that day there shall be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the earth:
Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, "Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance."


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03 Apr 2007, 10:07 am

Veresae wrote:
Nothing proves that a god wrote the bible, though. Life just sucks period, god or no god.

I do, however, agree that if the bible WERE true somehow, then that would be one evil god. Check out sites like Evil Bible and Skeptic's Annotated Bible sometime.

Either that or over-confident to a fault. Or just sooooooooooo bored.


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03 Apr 2007, 11:26 am

maldoror wrote:
I came to the conclusion I came to a long time ago, but I can respect that other people have had religion drilled into them or have particularly religious families or whatever and are still in the process of determining their beliefs. I don't find it boring.


You forgot to state what your conclusion was. Also, your assumption concerning religion drilled into one or being of a religious family does not appear sound. Some would become atheists in direct reaction to either background, some would come to be persoanlly persuaded of the truth of what they had been raised to believe (or convert to a different faith); conversely, one might come to believe in God (or other deities) without having been brought up in a religious background at all. To be fair though, you did add the option "whatever" as a catch all term for quite a wide range of reasons that do not come under the two that you specifically mentioned. Ah well.


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