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He would not make a good President, because - -
He has no real policy, other than "what I will do will be terrific."
He has been surrounded by a$$licking sycophants for so long he believes everyone (our friends and enemies) will say yes to him.
He plays up to the worst prejudices in people, using code words like "illegals" for Latinos, describing them as rapists and murderers, while ridiculing the notion that racism still exists. It's no accident that white supremacists are endorsing him.
Rather than being diplomatic, he relies on bullying and insults - very un-Presidential.
He's a blatant liar (sure, other politicians lie, but rarely when it's so obvious), regarding his business successes, his religious faith, his alleged proof that Obama's birth certificate is a forgery, that he hadn't tried to pay off Jeb Bush to build casinos in Florida, that he never went bankrupt, etc. The man almost certainly is a pathological liar.
He's a narcissist. 'Nuf said.
He probably really doesn't want to be President. The most rattled person in America by a Donald Trump Presidential victory would be Donald Trump.
He would cost us international prestige that would overshadow the Bush years.
I'm sure I could go on and on.
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His actions just don't seem to match up with that sort of claim....he himself benefits from outsourcing. He may say that, I am just not so sure I trust that after all his very own clothing line is the product of outsourcing. You think he'd impose such taxes on himself?
Whether or not you trust Trump to follow thru with anything he says, he is better than your typical Republican economically. I think he is far more personality and bluster than ideological, he's further left than Hillary on a lot of issues.
I can't say Trump would be a bad president because because that would mean I am endorsing somebody as better and there really isn't if we're talking realistic(Rand Paul 2016 not looking good) I think Trump is probably competent, probably more of a pragmatist and politician of convenience.I think he'd probably be pretty effective leader, the question is character. Effective and evil would be bad bad news. We're only use to grossly incompetent evil.
Diplomacy I think is an area Trump will probably exceed in, he'll repair our relationship with Russia and he'll probably back us off the Saudis.
I don't believe half the **** he says to be honest, I can see he's playing a game and that's what all our elections are. Trump is a genius of self promotion and manipulating the media.
Diplomacy seems to be one of his weakest points....also we need someone who can address the issues not manipulate the media in their favor. Better than the typical republican economically is not very impressive to me....since that still leaves out addressing the major wealth inequality, I prefer the candidate that wants to address that, as well as that college is largely a debt trap I don't hear Trump talking much about that.
Trump is closer to Bernie Sanders than he is your typical Republican probably, he's seized on a issue that the establishment of the GOP was completely out of step with its base on but other than that doesn't seem all that conservative. I think diplomacy wise his personality would mesh well with a lot of foreign leaders, people were afraid that Reagan would lead us to war but he was a very effective diplomatic leader.
Well I certainly like Bernie Sanders a lot more than Trump, don't really see the two as very similar at all as far as positions on the issues. And perhaps Trump is not the most socially conservative though I could be wrong on that, but he certainly is more of a capitalist businessman than anything else so by default he's going to be more wealth motivated putting profits before social issues or serving the people. That and he's got a bad attitude....and he talks a lot of crap, seems he'd be more likely to disrespect and attempt to bully any world leaders or other countries than work with them. I am not much of a fan of heavily capitalist based systems since it allows for far too much wealth inequality.
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Kick out all illegals with their families
Build an actual wall
Lower and less confusing taxes for the middle class
Not a puppet
More jobs for Americans
More stuff made in America
Stay out of Syria and let's ISIS and Assad duke it out
Not a believer in AGW and sees China snickering in the corner with the UN protocols
Will actually deal with Russia instead of letting Putin humiliate us
Thinks Blacklivesmatter is stupid
Create a real deal with Iran that frees the hostages, allows outside inspections and doesn't give so many billions to them.
More stuff made in America even though his own clothing line is manufactured in China and Mexico?
Kicking out all the illegals and their families is not a solution for anything...and wtf instead of just kicking out illegal immigrants you would support someone who'd also deport people simply for having a relative who is an illegal immigrant even if they're a citizen? Sounds a little Nazi like if you as me.....but regardless its not practical and mass deportation will only cost the tax payers tons of money.
The wall is also a non-solution, which will also cost the taxpayers a lot of money....because give me a break Mexico sure as hell isn't going to pay for it.
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Kick out all illegals with their families
Build an actual wall
Not a believer in AGW and sees China snickering in the corner with the UN protocols
Will actually deal with Russia instead of letting Putin humiliate us
Thinks Blacklivesmatter is stupid
So that's a "no".
Trump is playing the economic nationalist card like Ross Perot and Pat Buchanan, closest person to him running economically is probably Bernie Sanders. Trump stands out from his Republican peers being in favor of progressive taxation and taxing the rich more, I think every other Republican supports some form of flat tax or European style VAT. He's saying he's going to go after those "hedge fund guys on Wall Street", it really is fascinating Trump's appeal since he's basically just obliterating these ideological lines. He likes universal healthcare, thinks it works in other countries. Believes in the safety net, believes in pretty much everything you'd want probably. I can't imagine anybody else with an R after their name make the arguments Trump does. he really is fascinating to watch. Trump has praised Bernie on a few occasions now, he likes Bernie's position on H-1Bs which is something I like as well. Immigration is inherently tied to labor, if you want reduce inequality and protect American wages then you have to take a much more closed immigration policy. I think Trump could make a play for unions if the Dems give him that opening with a candidate like Hillary.
I think Trump's 'get tough on Mexico stance' is a good one since they do take advantage of us and aid and abet any illegal immigrants that enter their country as well as their poor underclass up to and over our border. He could make them "pay" for the wall by putting a tariff on all their imported goods or maybe better yet a tax on all remittance payments sent back to Mexico which I believe accounts for a decent amount of their economy. They have a much shorter southern border that they need to take care of, to deal with illegal immigration we need a willing partner and Mexico hasn't been one and why would they since they're benefiting from the current system. Mexico is a country we have to be tough with, it's a corrupt to its core narco-state and fake democracy.
The wall is plenty feasible, more feasible than most of the garbage you hear during campaign season. All that free stuff Bernie is promising isn't actually going to happen just because he says it will and some of the stuff he talks about would cost many times more or to occupy the entire middle east from the coast of the Mediterranean to Pakistan like the Neocons want. I don't know how effective just a wall will be as far as combating illegal immigration but Trump has also talked about our work programs like aforementioned H-1B program which essentially imports Indian slaves(you are not allowed to leave your employer on this visa or else you will be deported) to steal American jobs in the tech industry. I think a wall as well as ending jus soli would send a message in of itself, the reason so many are coming is because they don't believe we will stop them and they'd be right. Our country cannot survive with open borders, none can.
Trump is a businessman, a very good businessman and that's very different than a these corporate owned shills who's forays into business involve sitting on boards and greasing the palms of those in power whereas Trump is a guy that can negotiate a deal from a position of power and I believe he would get us the best deal for us because we have the leverage. Why are signing losing trading bills with Mexico, Asia, Latin America? If they want to do business with us then they should have to play by our rules, they need us more than we need them so we should see benefit. Us common folks don't I guess but the elite of the elite, the people who attend those Clinton functions profited greatly from it.
It's all more realistic than what the rest of the GOP wants to do, listen to them on war and your ears will literally bleed. Evangelicals are insane and want to bring the end of the world, they support a suicidal foreign policy that sets us on a collision course with Iran and Russia. They're still arguing about gay marriage, it's just stupid. The fearmongering is hitting 9/11 levels almost, Trump is the only one talking about the economy and "making America great again". It's sad but he really does look like the best candidate(other than Rand Paul who is at like 2%)
I think he's somebody that could appeal to a pretty wide cross section of the American voter, the question is will people be able to move beyond his hubris and larger than life personality.
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I think Trump's 'get tough on Mexico stance' is a good one since they do take advantage of us and aid and abet any illegal immigrants that enter their country as well as their poor underclass up to and over our border. He could make them "pay" for the wall by putting a tariff on all their imported goods or maybe better yet a tax on all remittance payments sent back to Mexico which I believe accounts for a decent amount of their economy. They have a much shorter southern border that they need to take care of, to deal with illegal immigration we need a willing partner and Mexico hasn't been one and why would they since they're benefiting from the current system. Mexico is a country we have to be tough with, it's a corrupt to its core narco-state and fake democracy.
The wall is plenty feasible, more feasible than most of the garbage you hear during campaign season. All that free stuff Bernie is promising isn't actually going to happen just because he says it will and some of the stuff he talks about would cost many times more or to occupy the entire middle east from the coast of the Mediterranean to Pakistan like the Neocons want. I don't know how effective just a wall will be as far as combating illegal immigration but Trump has also talked about our work programs like aforementioned H-1B program which essentially imports Indian slaves(you are not allowed to leave your employer on this visa or else you will be deported) to steal American jobs in the tech industry. I think a wall as well as ending jus soli would send a message in of itself, the reason so many are coming is because they don't believe we will stop them and they'd be right. Our country cannot survive with open borders, none can.
Trump is a businessman, a very good businessman and that's very different than a these corporate owned shills who's forays into business involve sitting on boards and greasing the palms of those in power whereas Trump is a guy that can negotiate a deal from a position of power and I believe he would get us the best deal for us because we have the leverage. Why are signing losing trading bills with Mexico, Asia, Latin America? If they want to do business with us then they should have to play by our rules, they need us more than we need them so we should see benefit. Us common folks don't I guess but the elite of the elite, the people who attend those Clinton functions profited greatly from it.
It's all more realistic than what the rest of the GOP wants to do, listen to them on war and your ears will literally bleed. Evangelicals are insane and want to bring the end of the world, they support a suicidal foreign policy that sets us on a collision course with Iran and Russia. They're still arguing about gay marriage, it's just stupid. The fearmongering is hitting 9/11 levels almost, Trump is the only one talking about the economy and "making America great again". It's sad but he really does look like the best candidate(other than Rand Paul who is at like 2%)
I think he's somebody that could appeal to a pretty wide cross section of the American voter, the question is will people be able to move beyond his hubris and larger than life personality.
To take a page from history, Julius Caesar had combined elements from the left (in order to secure support from the poor), and elements from the right (to hold the people down under his boot heel with the support of the rich) in order to seize power. That was ultimately the end of the Roman Republic.
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I think Trump's 'get tough on Mexico stance' is a good one since they do take advantage of us and aid and abet any illegal immigrants that enter their country as well as their poor underclass up to and over our border. He could make them "pay" for the wall by putting a tariff on all their imported goods or maybe better yet a tax on all remittance payments sent back to Mexico which I believe accounts for a decent amount of their economy. They have a much shorter southern border that they need to take care of, to deal with illegal immigration we need a willing partner and Mexico hasn't been one and why would they since they're benefiting from the current system. Mexico is a country we have to be tough with, it's a corrupt to its core narco-state and fake democracy.
The wall is plenty feasible, more feasible than most of the garbage you hear during campaign season. All that free stuff Bernie is promising isn't actually going to happen just because he says it will and some of the stuff he talks about would cost many times more or to occupy the entire middle east from the coast of the Mediterranean to Pakistan like the Neocons want. I don't know how effective just a wall will be as far as combating illegal immigration but Trump has also talked about our work programs like aforementioned H-1B program which essentially imports Indian slaves(you are not allowed to leave your employer on this visa or else you will be deported) to steal American jobs in the tech industry. I think a wall as well as ending jus soli would send a message in of itself, the reason so many are coming is because they don't believe we will stop them and they'd be right. Our country cannot survive with open borders, none can.
Trump is a businessman, a very good businessman and that's very different than a these corporate owned shills who's forays into business involve sitting on boards and greasing the palms of those in power whereas Trump is a guy that can negotiate a deal from a position of power and I believe he would get us the best deal for us because we have the leverage. Why are signing losing trading bills with Mexico, Asia, Latin America? If they want to do business with us then they should have to play by our rules, they need us more than we need them so we should see benefit. Us common folks don't I guess but the elite of the elite, the people who attend those Clinton functions profited greatly from it.
It's all more realistic than what the rest of the GOP wants to do, listen to them on war and your ears will literally bleed. Evangelicals are insane and want to bring the end of the world, they support a suicidal foreign policy that sets us on a collision course with Iran and Russia. They're still arguing about gay marriage, it's just stupid. The fearmongering is hitting 9/11 levels almost, Trump is the only one talking about the economy and "making America great again". It's sad but he really does look like the best candidate(other than Rand Paul who is at like 2%)
I think he's somebody that could appeal to a pretty wide cross section of the American voter, the question is will people be able to move beyond his hubris and larger than life personality.
To take a page from history, Julius Caesar had combined elements from the left (in order to secure support from the poor), and elements from the right (to hold the people down under his boot heel with the support of the rich) in order to seize power. That was ultimately the end of the Roman Republic.
Yes the way I see it Trump will certainly say things to appeal to the left....he wants to win, he'll say anything. He'd make a great dictator, not such a great President. And what is it with people and their 'all that free stuff' Bernie promises wont happen claims?....what 'free stuff'? As far as I can tell he's not promising any free stuff, unless they mean college education and medical care which of course wouldn't be 'free' just publicly funded. Free stuff and publicly funded are different things....public funding being the more practical obviously.
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The great wall of china didn't keep the mongols out of china and you can see that thing from space.
The Berlin Wall, in the end, certainly didn't hold up against the East German people's will to be free.
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Do I think Donald Trump would make a good president?
What does it matter? I think he'll give the pot a good stirring then bow out. Between now and then he'll tell the right things they want to hear but he probably would never actually deliver on and upset the left by telling them there won't be enough free stuff for them.
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The fact of the matter is that illegal immigration is a serious problem and something needs to be done to fix it, nobody else has a plan. All the other plans just amount to amnesty which just encourages even more illegal immigration, the reason so many people are coming is because they know we don't have the fortitude to tell them to go home. People want a wall so I guess build a wall, I think that combined with drones + more troops on our border with Mexico would probably stymie the tide a little bit. You guys need to understand that Mexico's border states and cities are essentially ran by the corrupt forces of the warring drug cartel factions with our own alphabet soup agencies involved in the mix as well, this is a security issue and no country with open borders can survive unless you want to sacrifice all the public services you hold dear. Would you rather have SSI or would you rather have 2 million more Central Americans? You have to weigh it out like this, this is an economic migration and they're not fleeing persecution so we don't have to cave to to demands to be admitted. It should make sense to this country and the people who live here. If we give amnesty now then we'll just have to give amnesty again later to the millions more that will come as a result of this.
As for Bernie's free stuff, the money has to come from somewhere and Bernie wants to add something like $18 trillion in new spending over 10 years and there is no amount tax increases you can add to offset that. Public funding has to come from somewhere, I don't think we have any more need for a massive amount of debt. He won't win the presidency but even hypothetically he wouldn't be able to get any of this stuff passed thru congress. Even if he were to be dictator and could do whatever he wanted, I think his ideas would likely crash the US and world economy. He wants to nationalize the US healthcare industry which accounts for like 1/5th of our economy, that's not something you can just do without starting a civil war or getting impeached if he really tried to force the issue. He's doing the same thing Trump is, telling people what they want to hear and promising them everything they can give. Populism is populism.
Bernie says some interesting things from time to time but the guy is a campaigner more than a thinker or statesman or whatever, campaigning is the story of his life pretty much being a tireless perennial candidate for office in Vermont since the early 70s. Fascinating guy, he's probably living his dream right now.
They're all prospective dictators, Hillary is Stalin reincarnate. Trump doesn't seem any worse than any of the other realistic candidates. Jeb Bush? Joe Biden? Everybody wants more war less freedom more globalism. I really couldn't care less if Trump is mean to Megyn Kelly or Rosie O'Donnell, I know what he says might be distasteful but I care about a lot more than having a PC candidate
Jacoby come off it. Trump's foreign policy couldn't be more opposite then your own. He is loudmouth, not a thinker.
Trump's business acumen mainly is in over inflating himself, and generating hype. In realty this can work. This won't translate for long when running a nation.
He isn't actually saying anything profound. It is age old rhetoric that a presidential virgin can rely on.
There are many dumb forms of nationalism, but the type that would back a guy like this is monumentally stupid, and he is laughing all the way.
If anything Trump and the other candidates highlight everything that is wrong with the presidential campaigns.
You have no chance in stemming the tide of immigration by a wall alone, not even drone will do it. It is just too long. This is a pipe dream. Get real. Maintaining the wall is going to cost big bucks.
Mexico has to become more prosperous and less corrupt to discourage immigration, so it is in your interest to try and help where you can.
I hate to break it but not all your problems are caused by migration. Migration can even generate some revenue, it can be difficult.
You can change your citizenship, and social security requirement to encourage genuine economic contribution.
The people can sometime get it wrong. This is a reason why direct democracy doesn't work (other than the logic impossibility of implementing it fully). They may highlight some of the problems, but the solutions can be way off. Other times their preconceptions aren't a reality.
People can elect a populist, or someone who prepared to make difficult decision that are not "obvious" but pragmatic, well considered and sometimes unpopular. That is real leadership, not spouting rhetoric.
Trump's business acumen mainly is in over inflating himself, and generating hype. In realty this can work. This won't translate for long when running a nation.
He isn't actually saying anything profound. It is age old rhetoric that a presidential virgin can rely on.
There are many dumb forms of nationalism, but the type that would back a guy like this is monumentally stupid, and he is laughing all the way.
If anything Trump and the other candidates highlight everything that is wrong with the presidential campaigns.
I only give Trump tepid support because I think he is funny and as a way of uprooting the political order, who is realistically better? You guys need to understand that Bernie Sanders who engages in a slightly different form of populism has a 0% chance of winning the presidency, Rand Paul's campaign would cause depression and cynicism to all those that bothered to follow it. Everyone else pretty much disgusts me, oh they might seem nicer and more cordial but they're even bigger fascists. The Hillary Clinton versus Jeb Bush contest has been decided for more than a decade by the oligarchy which controls our country and Trump's mastery of the media and direct appeal to masses has thrown a wrench into that plan. Joe Biden while personally likable and able to keep his nose clean is just as bad as Hillary record wise if not worse. Watch that GOP debate and tell me who you are voting for? It's all a joke, the whole process is rigged. Carly Fiorina isn't qualified to be town dog catcher and she's being pumped by the media as this GOP alternative to Hillary Clinton. I suppose they do share similarities in that's they're both paranoid control freaks but at least Hillary looks like she still has her real face.
People are rebelling against the political order and this is bigger than just Trump, Ben Carson has tried to position himself as close to Trump whereas at the same time showcasing his contrast in personality which has now rocketed him as the definitive #2 candidate behind Trump at this time. Carson is much too socially conservative for my taste but I am interested in hearing him speak more on foreign policy given his Seventh Day Adventist faith which is a peace church. I haven't been impressed by what I have heard so far.
I think Trump is much better on foreign policy than your typical neoconservative who are now rebounding off the fears of ISIS and trying to goad us into a war that spans Syria/Iraq/Iran and put us on the path of confrontation with Russia. We've created almost all these terrorist groups, honestly I can almost say we directly created them since we armed/trained/utilized these militants in overthrowing these governments we didn't like with no thought put into what would fill the void. I don't think anybody can say what we did in Libya wasn't a mistake, that the Libyan people would not be better off right now if Muammar Gaddafi was still the leader of that country. Our government wanted to do the same Bashar al-Assad as they did Gaddafi and encouraged/inflamed/directly supported this "uprising" and resulting civil war, ISIS is OUR baby and their blood is on our hands because we couldn't accept the fact that we do not get to decide foreign governments.
Trump says a lot of dumb and honestly weird stuff when it comes to foreign policy, I take it as mostly just nonsensical bluster and calculated manipulation on his part. He actually was against the Iraq War, he says he wants to be friends with Putin which to me signifies a pretty huge departure from you your typical establishment players. When he says stuff like he's going to make make Middle Eastern countries pay for American intervention I think its more of a signal that he's against intervening in these countries unless it serves the interests of the US which it clearly doesn't but if we do have to go fight somebody else's war then they should pay for it not us. There is no humanitarian war, lets not even pretend, nation building is scam and failure. I am against war but if these globalists want us to do their bidding then we should start helping ourselves as well. Why should Dick Cheney and those other war criminals benefit from the new oil pipelines they get to lay? If somebody is going to steal Iraq or whoever's oil it at least should benefit us rather than just the satanic cabal that started the war in the first place. If you want to play this game then you only play to win, this isn't a sporting match that we want to come repeat a decade or so later like those in the MIC probably want.
America is in a desperate position and another Bush/Clinton to me would signify that electoral politics and this democracy are irreversibly broken. What realistic options are there? I think secession and the dissolving of the central government is probably the only way to stop the powers that be, politics should be decentralized and local so that way the damage evil people that find themselves in power would be much more limited. The US wouldn't be able to invade other countries if states were able to veto sending their troops, maybe the Ludlow amendment should be revived?
I won't be scared into supporting evil establishment candidates, if they want to play a game of chicken with me then they'll lose since they have a lot more to lose than I do. Playing Russian roulette with a Trump presidency to me seems to have a lot more upside than another Bush/Clinton presidency, and if there is a bullet in that chamber then it is because we were left with no other options and deserve that fate. Better to get it over with now, rock bottom needs to come for real change to happen.
What other options are there?
Mexico has to become more prosperous and less corrupt to discourage immigration, so it is in your interest to try and help where you can.
I hate to break it but not all your problems are caused by migration. Migration can even generate some revenue, it can be difficult.
You can change your citizenship, and social security requirement to encourage genuine economic contribution.
The people can sometime get it wrong. This is a reason why direct democracy doesn't work (other than the logic impossibility of implementing it fully). They may highlight some of the problems, but the solutions can be way off. Other times their preconceptions aren't a reality.
People can elect a populist, or someone who prepared to make difficult decision that are not "obvious" but pragmatic, well considered and sometimes unpopular. That is real leadership, not spouting rhetoric.
The idea that we can't completely stop illegal immigration doesn't mean we shouldn't try and that there wouldn't be a significant decrease in it. Hungary was able to build a makeshift fence in like hours and was able to decrease the flow of refugees into their country from 5 figures to the low 3 so that is an improvement.Tunnels under the border are irrelevant, that's not how most people are getting in. Maybe the drug traffickers but we need a totally different solution to deal with them but I'm also one to believe that rogue US government agencies control the world's illicit drug trade and work in collusion with those cartels who control much of Mexico. A "wall" would work fine for its purpose and the vast majority of Americans want it, there is a multifaceted approach that could be taken that would reduce the amount of people entering this country illegally to a trickle.
Where else we need to look at are our visa programs like the aforementioned H-1B, I think our whole immigration system needs to reformed. It is suicidal to invite people into your country that cannot and will not integrate, that leads ethnic enclaves which become ghettos which fuel resentment and separatism. As silly as it is, a lot of Mexicans believe that the American Southwest belongs to Mexico so that is essentially inviting a fifth column if we cannot integrate these people into American culture. This current trend of multiculturalism is a recipe for disaster, people that move to another country should be prepared to leave their old culture behind and learn the language. The melting pot is why America is still one country today, this is ingrained in our civic beliefs.
Jus soli birthright citizenship doesn't make any sense, you can't reward law breaking and not expect more of it. The same goes for amnesty, we can't go for a soft easy solution because it will just compound the problem and make it even worse later on. Having a parent that is US citizen should be the only way you are entitled to citizenship at birth, if they're so desperate to leave the maybe they should start looking for Americans to marry. I see no reason why America should have to open its doors to anyone that knocks, it should benefit our country. You can't compare it to when our ancestors came to this country because there wasn't a country, we built it and now there is modern welfare state with public services and infrastructure and by having those we have to surrender this frontier spirit. The strain on the system is too much, it cannot be maintained with same quality or level of support. There are only so many resources and the reality is that if we opened our borders to anybody that wanted to come there would probably be upward of a billion people that would leave their home countries for here, it's suicidal and would bring the QOL that my ancestors fought and died for down the standards of the rest of the old world which they left for good reason. Open borders would enslave us all to the corporations, they want a huge glut of labor to get wages down and racial division as means of control.
Most immigrants aren't stopping in Hungary, the tactic isn't stopping the flow. It is attempting to make a 175-km fence, the US Mexico border is 3,145 km with difficult terrain.
Just look at the area around the channel tunnel. They can't even police that.
It is not a question of being able to build it, it is a question what are the costs on the state long term. What are you going to do have border checks at the state level?
The irony is sections of this wall have been built by Mexican immigrants themselves, you should watch Penn and Teller's BS episode on immigration, it show how easy it is for them to get past these barriers.
You can't separate the cartels from the general immigration, becuase it is an opportunity for them to make money and human trafficking is one of their businesses. I generally agree with you on how they are doing well out of the status quo.
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