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08 Apr 2007, 10:13 pm

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Is this all that conservatives can do? Throw feces at the left?



well most of the right and the left are just monkeys....so i think feces throwing is pretty natural to them.


Aye

We need new political parties.

The right filled with Bible-Bashers and Corporate sharks.

The left is filled with PC people and communists.


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08 Apr 2007, 10:15 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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Is this all that conservatives can do? Throw feces at the left?



well most of the right and the left are just monkeys....so i think feces throwing is pretty natural to them.
Why denote political leanings, then? Politicians in general, and those fools who think that any one party is free of them.



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08 Apr 2007, 10:26 pm

Griff wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Griff wrote:
Is this all that conservatives can do? Throw feces at the left?



well most of the right and the left are just monkeys....so i think feces throwing is pretty natural to them.
Why denote political leanings, then? Politicians in general, and those fools who think that any one party is free of them.




defining is is important as to how they approach things.


the current democrats and republicans in office are basically the same for the most part...there's a minority that's different but it's just that, a minority. the only person i see worth supporting right now is senator ron paul out of texas. he happens to be a republican and i don't agree with him on all issues but i think he's correct on some issues and his voting history is consistant with the rhetoric he says today. kerry's history is not consistant with his rhetoric. obviously the same with bush. the lies and false promises (which last i checked...false promises are lies made in advance of action) make them the same and make them equally worthless.



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08 Apr 2007, 10:39 pm

Okay, looking him up now...

Oh. A Libertarian. I should have known. Ironically, they're called liberals in europe. Oooo! He's not a lawyer! Okay, I guess he can't be all bad.



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08 Apr 2007, 10:59 pm

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Okay, looking him up now...

Oh. A Libertarian. I should have known. Ironically, they're called liberals in europe. Oooo! He's not a lawyer! Okay, I guess he can't be all bad.


Libertarian = Old School Republican

Therefore, awesome.


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08 Apr 2007, 11:10 pm

Well, more like an old-school liberal. "Liberalism" was at some point perverted into some unholy union between statist progressivism/utopianism (prohibition) and some elements of liberalism proper. There isn't much left of liberalism, in the proper sense, outside of some lower-case 'l' libertarians, and I guess I'm one of them. I don't think much of the Libertarian party here in the US.



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08 Apr 2007, 11:14 pm

If the repubilcan party was like it was in the days of Jefferson I'd proudly be one.

But

Like you said it's been corrupted.


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08 Apr 2007, 11:22 pm

"Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, in which 51% of the population can take away the rights of the other 49." lol



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08 Apr 2007, 11:23 pm

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"Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, in which 51% of the population can take away the rights of the other 49." lol


True


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09 Apr 2007, 1:34 am

Flagg wrote:
Libertarian = Old School Republican

Therefore, awesome.

Right, the old Right. Many of its members are sort of critical of the new shifts.
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Well, more like an old-school liberal. "Liberalism" was at some point perverted into some unholy union between statist progressivism/utopianism (prohibition) and some elements of liberalism proper. There isn't much left of liberalism, in the proper sense, outside of some lower-case 'l' libertarians, and I guess I'm one of them. I don't think much of the Libertarian party here in the US.
Right, I believe that FDR is most noted for causing this shift over to mean this. The libertarian party is a rather extreme group, one of its founders was an anarcho-capitalist though so it would not surprise me if that man and his followers would try to keep the libertarian party extreme. Even Ron Paul is to some extent sort of out there and draws off of unorthodox ideas and he is currently a Republican.



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09 Apr 2007, 1:38 am

Yeah, after I read The World is Flat I started to get right leans in economics.

Nowadays I'm pro-international coporations, pro-outsourcing, pro-flat tax etc.

A bit of a Neo-Liberal in a way.

I'm still pretty far on the left on social issues.


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09 Apr 2007, 1:56 am

Flagg wrote:
Yeah, after I read The World is Flat I started to get right leans in economics.

Nowadays I'm pro-international coporations, pro-outsourcing, pro-flat tax etc.

A bit of a Neo-Liberal in a way.

I'm still pretty far on the left on social issues.

Well, the right isn't perfect but there is some truth to claims by both sides. I have only heard of "The World is Flat". I think that the pro-outsourcing position ends up being very popular amongst economists, outsourcing has support of a major majority of economists. Flat taxes are more controversial I think. Tax reform and simplicity is a necessity though for many economies given the complexity of current tax codes in nations such as the US.

I'd say that I tend to be somewhat neo-liberal. I tend to be somewhat influenced by neo-liberal groups and people intellectually I suppose.



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09 Apr 2007, 2:19 am

I tend to think that most modern libertarian views have practical flaws, actually.



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09 Apr 2007, 10:55 am

Griff wrote:
I tend to think that most modern libertarian views have practical flaws, actually.

What do you mean? To be honest I tend to think similar things on progressive views.



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09 Apr 2007, 2:54 pm

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What do you mean? To be honest I tend to think similar things on progressive views.
I mean that this is what I tend to think. Their models don't strike me as being thought through. Again, I don't mind leftist policies. I just don't see any sense in sending them up to the state or federal government if nothing is gained from doing so. That's about it.



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09 Apr 2007, 4:33 pm

Griff wrote:
I mean that this is what I tend to think. Their models don't strike me as being thought through. Again, I don't mind leftist policies. I just don't see any sense in sending them up to the state or federal government if nothing is gained from doing so. That's about it.

Ah, I think the same thing of progressive models to be entirely honest. I do mind leftist policies but I don't mind so much rightist/moderate libertarian economic policies if thought out(as unfortunately dear politicians often do not do).