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13 Oct 2015, 4:55 pm

Where I work they don't give it to us off as a holiday. So I could care less. Its just like any other day.



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13 Oct 2015, 9:17 pm

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My point is, had he never lived, someone else would have eventually done it, as the time was right. It's like when Martin Luther had described how the Reformation would have started with someone else, even if he had never been born, simply because he understood how dynamic the era he - and Columbus - lived in was. It was an age after the long period of cultural darkness, when there was a sudden explosion in the arts, in theology, and in the need to explore the outer world.


You're anti-hero.

-First response rescue workers at the 9/11 World Trade Center bombing are not heroes, because eventually someone else would got off their lazy butts and helped ?

- Rosa Parks, not a hero to you, because eventually someone else would told off a white bus driver (stood up for black civil rights) ?



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13 Oct 2015, 10:14 pm

Columbus was a bad person.

But that's not what columbus day is about.

Columbus day is about the executive branch of the federal government kissing up to the italian-american community. As stupid as that sounds, it's true.



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14 Oct 2015, 1:24 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
My point is, had he never lived, someone else would have eventually done it, as the time was right. It's like when Martin Luther had described how the Reformation would have started with someone else, even if he had never been born, simply because he understood how dynamic the era he - and Columbus - lived in was. It was an age after the long period of cultural darkness, when there was a sudden explosion in the arts, in theology, and in the need to explore the outer world.


You're anti-hero.

-First response rescue workers at the 9/11 World Trade Center bombing are not heroes, because eventually someone else would got off their lazy butts and helped ?

- Rosa Parks, not a hero to you, because eventually someone else would told off a white bus driver (stood up for black civil rights) ?


Not true, because they were people of morals and a sense of right and wrong who stood up at the plate. Maybe others would have done something to fulfill that particular historical role, but it's the intent in their hearts that make them heroes instead of just persons of historical significance. Columbus made history, but he was hardly a hero.


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14 Oct 2015, 3:00 am

blauSamstag wrote:
Columbus was a bad person.

But that's not what columbus day is about.

Columbus day is about the executive branch of the federal government kissing up to the italian-american community. As stupid as that sounds, it's true.

Italian Americans certainly deserve their annual cultural celebration just as other nationalities do with events like St. Patrick's, Cinco de Mayo, and Oktoberfest, however I don't believe observing Columbus Day is the utmost way for US citizens of Italian descent to show their pride, especially now with the controversy that Columbus may indeed not been of Italian origin, regardless of how good or bad his other qualities might have been. (Remember I had a grandmother with the surname DiGiurina). I would much rather enjoy an Italian pride day on something like April 25th, which was the day Italy was liberated from the Nazis, and is observed in Italy. Another idea might be June 2nd, the official date of the re-establishment of Italy's republic, obviously celebrated over there as well. A third proposal would be to choose a day during August where there are currantly no hollidays observed in the US, create something like an "Ellis Island" day, commemorating the time when up to 5,000 Italian immigrants would arrive in the US on a daily basis.


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14 Oct 2015, 10:31 am

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If it mattered to you to have an "alternative" to Columbus then I would go with Giovanni Cabotti ( aka "John Cabot") who reached North America circa 1497 (before Ponce De Leon).

Like Columbus he was a northern Italian who went around europe pedaling the crazy idea of getting to the East by sailing west to Monarchs. He was finally hired by King Henry the Seventh of England. He sailed from Bristol and sailed around the northern edge of the north Atlantic (in contrast to Columbus who sailed straight across the middle of the Atlantic) and discovered "New Found Land" ( Newfoundland, Canada). He may, or may not, have also reached parts of what is now the east coast of the U.S.A..


Okay, I'm all for changing Columbus Day to John Cabot Day!
Incidentally, despite the traditional claims that Columbus was Italian, there is convincing DNA evidence taken from his descendants that he was actually a Spaniard.

Apparently he was from Catalonia.


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14 Oct 2015, 10:36 am

It would be more accurate to celebrate Leif Eriksen Day if we wanted to honor the first Europeans in the New World.
There is also convincing evidence that Breton and Basque cod fishermen were fishing the Grand Banks off Newfoundland at least a century before Columbus. I could well imagine that at least some of these people landed on some part of North America at some time.


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14 Oct 2015, 8:01 pm

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15 Oct 2015, 10:03 am

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17 Oct 2015, 1:53 pm

Columbus, made them an offer they could not refuse.



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17 Oct 2015, 2:37 pm

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Columbus, made them an offer they could not refuse.

What, die or die?


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