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What candidate are you nearest to? (US only)
Trump 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Carson 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Rubio 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Bush 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Cruz 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
Fiorina 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other Republican 7%  7%  [ 2 ]
Clinton 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Sanders 64%  64%  [ 18 ]
Other Democrat 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Other 11%  11%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 28

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22 Oct 2015, 6:35 pm

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I went with Bernie Sanders. Of all the candidates of either party, he seems to the the only one truly concerned with the plight of ordinary people.

Except for the ones who don't fall on his side of party.


Who says he wouldn't also be on your side - - as long as you're not a billionaire.


I'm pro 2nd amendment he's anti 2nd amendment. I want a president that is for all ordinary people not just the ones that do things they like.


Actually, he's pretty tolerant of the 2nd amendment, as he comes from a rural state where gun ownership and hunting are common place. Meaning no offense, but I think you should get your information directly from Bernie, rather than from his critics who purposely misrepresent him.


Wrote a big reply by site ate it again :(

Sum it up, he's anti gun, that's anti 2nd amendment.



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22 Oct 2015, 8:25 pm

sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I went with Bernie Sanders. Of all the candidates of either party, he seems to the the only one truly concerned with the plight of ordinary people.

Except for the ones who don't fall on his side of party.


Who says he wouldn't also be on your side - - as long as you're not a billionaire.


I'm pro 2nd amendment he's anti 2nd amendment. I want a president that is for all ordinary people not just the ones that do things they like.


Actually, he's pretty tolerant of the 2nd amendment, as he comes from a rural state where gun ownership and hunting are common place. Meaning no offense, but I think you should get your information directly from Bernie, rather than from his critics who purposely misrepresent him.


Wrote a big reply by site ate it again :(

Sum it up, he's anti gun, that's anti 2nd amendment.


What do you base that on?


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22 Oct 2015, 9:44 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I went with Bernie Sanders. Of all the candidates of either party, he seems to the the only one truly concerned with the plight of ordinary people.

Except for the ones who don't fall on his side of party.


Who says he wouldn't also be on your side - - as long as you're not a billionaire.


I'm pro 2nd amendment he's anti 2nd amendment. I want a president that is for all ordinary people not just the ones that do things they like.


Actually, he's pretty tolerant of the 2nd amendment, as he comes from a rural state where gun ownership and hunting are common place. Meaning no offense, but I think you should get your information directly from Bernie, rather than from his critics who purposely misrepresent him.


Wrote a big reply by site ate it again :(

Sum it up, he's anti gun, that's anti 2nd amendment.


What do you base that on?


Things he has said, his voting record and his campaign site.



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22 Oct 2015, 10:00 pm

being anti-assault weapons and pro-background checks only makes a person anti-gun to gun nuts. besides, if a republican gets in, no one will be able to afford agun.



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22 Oct 2015, 10:22 pm

80% Rand Paul
72% Bernie Sanders
59% Donald Trump

I think I'd probably have different percentages if I just answered yes or no to all the questions



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22 Oct 2015, 10:26 pm

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being anti-assault weapons and pro-background checks only makes a person anti-gun to gun nuts. besides, if a republican gets in, no one will be able to afford agun.

Assault weapons is anything you assault a person with.

I've never assaulted anyone so I own simiauto rifles and handguns.

Simiauto guns have been around for s long long time, you'd have us all go back to bolt action and revolvers of the 1800s. No thanks anti-gunner.

How will you enforce ubc? none of the anti gunners, nor the police have anyway to enforce it. Watched a video where two people did a illegal transfer in front of a police officer sitting in his car, in front of the police station, across from the state house and governors office, now if they didn't get caught how do you expect to stop people selling a gun that you don't even know they have to another person in their garage, back alley, field, home, etc. most police in my state can't even afford to try enforce it so they not going to.
Democrat politicians are anti gun, they think they have to be to be democrats.
But then again you have proven yourself to be anti gun.

Anyways we're off topic.



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23 Oct 2015, 12:41 am

sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I went with Bernie Sanders. Of all the candidates of either party, he seems to the the only one truly concerned with the plight of ordinary people.

Except for the ones who don't fall on his side of party.


Who says he wouldn't also be on your side - - as long as you're not a billionaire.


I'm pro 2nd amendment he's anti 2nd amendment. I want a president that is for all ordinary people not just the ones that do things they like.


Actually, he's pretty tolerant of the 2nd amendment, as he comes from a rural state where gun ownership and hunting are common place. Meaning no offense, but I think you should get your information directly from Bernie, rather than from his critics who purposely misrepresent him.


Wrote a big reply by site ate it again :(

Sum it up, he's anti gun, that's anti 2nd amendment.


What do you base that on?


Things he has said, his voting record and his campaign site.


Seriously, though, despite the dire warnings about Democrats taking away people's guns with the election of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, if you noticed, it's never happened. In this case, I think you have to consider that the messengers with all their talk of gun grabbing liberals are just a bunch of alarmists playing up on the fears of gun owners.


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23 Oct 2015, 1:29 am

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Seriously, though, despite the dire warnings about Democrats taking away people's guns with the election of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, if you noticed, it's never happened. In this case, I think you have to consider that the messengers with all their talk of gun grabbing liberals are just a bunch of alarmists playing up on the fears of gun owners.


Bill Clinton passed the assault weapon ban of 1994 amongst other things.

Obama is blocked by a republican controlled congress that stop all the democrats attempts, he's still done stuff via his pen.

Clinton and others talk about if they could they'd go and take all guns and ban them. So stop talking like the dem could do it and choose not to. They get stopped by pro gun groups and republican politicians. If not all states would be like New York, California or like other nations where they completely ban guns. They do everything they can get away with to ban guns or attack the 2nd amendment. It's too bad I have to turn to a party who hates me for being on ssi,food stamps, supporting certain ideas on issues. How many pro gun democrats like me vote republican because the party is too Antigun.

A party who would take my right, and guns today or next week or a party who would make me homeless possible in the distent future. Dems passing gun control if they get complete control is far more likely then republicans removing ssi. Heck they still can't get rid of Obama kill which is way low hanging fruit then ssi.

Wish democrat party could support gun owners , they'd probably get more votes from people like me.

Ive never hurt anyone and just want to be left alone to enjoy life without every day having some democrat propose a new law to take my rights away. I'm tired of the constant fear since 2012. There was a year of two when I started owning guns where there wasn't much anti gun talk, life was nice.

If anti gunners bothered to learn about guns and go shooting they wouldn't be so blindly against them because some politician with and agenda(in money invested in gun companies) tells them it's bad logic be dammed.



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23 Oct 2015, 1:47 am

sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Seriously, though, despite the dire warnings about Democrats taking away people's guns with the election of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, if you noticed, it's never happened. In this case, I think you have to consider that the messengers with all their talk of gun grabbing liberals are just a bunch of alarmists playing up on the fears of gun owners.


Bill Clinton passed the assault weapon ban of 1994 amongst other things.

Obama is blocked by a republican controlled congress that stop all the democrats attempts, he's still done stuff via his pen.

Clinton and others talk about if they could they'd go and take all guns and ban them. So stop talking like the dem could do it and choose not to. They get stopped by pro gun groups and republican politicians. If not all states would be like New York, California or like other nations where they completely ban guns. They do everything they can get away with to ban guns or attack the 2nd amendment. It's too bad I have to turn to a party who hates me for being on ssi,food stamps, supporting certain ideas on issues. How many pro gun democrats like me vote republican because the party is too Antigun.

A party who would take my right, and guns today or next week or a party who would make me homeless possible in the distent future. Dems passing gun control if they get complete control is far more likely then republicans removing ssi. Heck they still can't get rid of Obama kill which is way low hanging fruit then ssi.

Wish democrat party could support gun owners , they'd probably get more votes from people like me.

Ive never hurt anyone and just want to be left alone to enjoy life without every day having some democrat propose a new law to take my rights away. I'm tired of the constant fear since 2012. There was a year of two when I started owning guns where there wasn't much anti gun talk, life was nice.

If anti gunners bothered to learn about guns and go shooting they wouldn't be so blindly against them because some politician with and agenda(in money invested in gun companies) tells them it's bad logic be dammed.


I'm sure you've never hurt anyone, or ever will, but those automatic gun bans aren't directed at you or others who will never shoot anyone else. Sure, people who support banning guns go overboard, but that hardly means you or anyone else should risk the social safety net just for the notion that gun rights are absolute. No right is absolute.
I should shut up about gun rights now, as the WP gun fetishists (and I'm in no way including you in their number) will take it as an opportunity to argue their fetish for page after page.


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23 Oct 2015, 2:13 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Seriously, though, despite the dire warnings about Democrats taking away people's guns with the election of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, if you noticed, it's never happened. In this case, I think you have to consider that the messengers with all their talk of gun grabbing liberals are just a bunch of alarmists playing up on the fears of gun owners.


Bill Clinton passed the assault weapon ban of 1994 amongst other things.

Obama is blocked by a republican controlled congress that stop all the democrats attempts, he's still done stuff via his pen.

Clinton and others talk about if they could they'd go and take all guns and ban them. So stop talking like the dem could do it and choose not to. They get stopped by pro gun groups and republican politicians. If not all states would be like New York, California or like other nations where they completely ban guns. They do everything they can get away with to ban guns or attack the 2nd amendment. It's too bad I have to turn to a party who hates me for being on ssi,food stamps, supporting certain ideas on issues. How many pro gun democrats like me vote republican because the party is too Antigun.

A party who would take my right, and guns today or next week or a party who would make me homeless possible in the distent future. Dems passing gun control if they get complete control is far more likely then republicans removing ssi. Heck they still can't get rid of Obama kill which is way low hanging fruit then ssi.

Wish democrat party could support gun owners , they'd probably get more votes from people like me.

Ive never hurt anyone and just want to be left alone to enjoy life without every day having some democrat propose a new law to take my rights away. I'm tired of the constant fear since 2012. There was a year of two when I started owning guns where there wasn't much anti gun talk, life was nice.

If anti gunners bothered to learn about guns and go shooting they wouldn't be so blindly against them because some politician with and agenda(in money invested in gun companies) tells them it's bad logic be dammed.


I'm sure you've never hurt anyone, or ever will, but those automatic gun bans aren't directed at you or others who will never shoot anyone else. Sure, people who support banning guns go overboard, but that hardly means you or anyone else should risk the social safety net just for the notion that gun rights are absolute. No right is absolute.
I should shut up about gun rights now, as the WP gun fetishists (and I'm in no way including you in their number) will take it as an opportunity to argue their fetish for page after page.


AWB didn't prevent any violence whatsoever

the real gun fetishists are the ones that beat off every time there is a mass shooting, never let a crisis go to waste :roll:

if people actually care about decreasing violence then there is so much that could be done that wouldn't shred our constitution but these weirdos are obsessed only with guns and scoring political points off dead children. It makes me sick.



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23 Oct 2015, 7:52 am

NO ONE IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS!! ! Seriously why do people keep sticking to this notion? The assault weapons ban does not ban all guns you can use to assault people with. That's ridiculous. All it did was ban certain attachments that make the weapons deadlier. Such as things like extended magazines. And it would have grandfathered in any guns or accessories already in circulation. Obama has actually expanded gun rights in some ways. People can now carry guns in national parks and he allowed people to bring guns in their luggage on to Amtrak (reversing the ban put in place by Bush after 9/11). I really don't know why this keeps coming up, you guys have said it yourself, rounding up the 300,000,000 plus guns in this country is impossible.

Even if there were a few democrats in congress who did want an outright ban, they would be vastly outnumbered by the rest of the party.

Can anybody name one person who seriously proposed seizing all guns? Because I can't think of one. Not even senator Feinstein has tried, and she's probably the most "anti-gun" person in congress.

And about the politicizing. Every politician does that about everything. It's just the nature of politics. We are largely a reactive nation, we're not good at taking action until something blows up in our face, even then we usually suck at it.

And Jacoby, how did you feel about the Republicans politicizing Benghazi? After 11 published reports by Republican led committees, no wrong doing has been shown and yet they keep acting like it was a scandal. If that isn't trying to score political points, then I don't know what is.



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23 Oct 2015, 8:28 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Seriously, though, despite the dire warnings about Democrats taking away people's guns with the election of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, if you noticed, it's never happened. In this case, I think you have to consider that the messengers with all their talk of gun grabbing liberals are just a bunch of alarmists playing up on the fears of gun owners.


Bill Clinton passed the assault weapon ban of 1994 amongst other things.

Obama is blocked by a republican controlled congress that stop all the democrats attempts, he's still done stuff via his pen.

Clinton and others talk about if they could they'd go and take all guns and ban them. So stop talking like the dem could do it and choose not to. They get stopped by pro gun groups and republican politicians. If not all states would be like New York, California or like other nations where they completely ban guns. They do everything they can get away with to ban guns or attack the 2nd amendment. It's too bad I have to turn to a party who hates me for being on ssi,food stamps, supporting certain ideas on issues. How many pro gun democrats like me vote republican because the party is too Antigun.

A party who would take my right, and guns today or next week or a party who would make me homeless possible in the distent future. Dems passing gun control if they get complete control is far more likely then republicans removing ssi. Heck they still can't get rid of Obama kill which is way low hanging fruit then ssi.

Wish democrat party could support gun owners , they'd probably get more votes from people like me.

Ive never hurt anyone and just want to be left alone to enjoy life without every day having some democrat propose a new law to take my rights away. I'm tired of the constant fear since 2012. There was a year of two when I started owning guns where there wasn't much anti gun talk, life was nice.

If anti gunners bothered to learn about guns and go shooting they wouldn't be so blindly against them because some politician with and agenda(in money invested in gun companies) tells them it's bad logic be dammed.


I'm sure you've never hurt anyone, or ever will, but those automatic gun bans aren't directed at you or others who will never shoot anyone else. Sure, people who support banning guns go overboard, but that hardly means you or anyone else should risk the social safety net just for the notion that gun rights are absolute. No right is absolute.
I should shut up about gun rights now, as the WP gun fetishists (and I'm in no way including you in their number) will take it as an opportunity to argue their fetish for page after page.



The awb doesn't ban automatic guns it bans simiautos that people say are scary looking due to being black. It's as illogical as racism or sexism.

People who say they aren't anti gun but support the awb are like people who say they aren't sexist but don't think women should work traditional male jobs.



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NO ONE IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS!! ! Seriously why do people keep sticking to this notion? The assault weapons ban does not ban all guns you can use to assault people with. That's ridiculous. All it did was ban certain attachments that make the weapons deadlier. Such as things like extended magazines. And it would have grandfathered in any guns or accessories already in circulation. Obama has actually expanded gun rights in some ways. People can now carry guns in national parks and he allowed people to bring guns in their luggage on to Amtrak (reversing the ban put in place by Bush after 9/11). I really don't know why this keeps coming up, you guys have said it yourself, rounding up the 300,000,000 plus guns in this country is impossible.

Even if there were a few democrats in congress who did want an outright ban, they would be vastly outnumbered by the rest of the party.

Can anybody name one person who seriously proposed seizing all guns? Because I can't think of one. Not even senator Feinstein has tried, and she's probably the most "anti-gun" person in congress.

And about the politicizing. Every politician does that about everything. It's just the nature of politics. We are largely a reactive nation, we're not good at taking action until something blows up in our face, even then we usually suck at it.

And Jacoby, how did you feel about the Republicans politicizing Benghazi? After 11 published reports by Republican led committees, no wrong doing has been shown and yet they keep acting like it was a scandal. If that isn't trying to score political points, then I don't know what is.


Incrementalism, you cannot give an inch. Look at how it has happened in other countries, we're not stupid. You give in on one aspect of "gun control" then they'll take more. Our constitution is clear and these gun control measures serve no purpose but to harass legal gun owners, the AWB literally did nothing and the reality is that rifles of any kind are very rarely used in violent crime. An "assault weapon" as our media has disingenuously dubbed to mislead people into thinking these rifles are anything more than a semi-automatic rifle that is stylized to look like a military weapon, a .30-06 is a round commonly used for hunting big game that is more powerful than the .223 an AR15 shoots so what is the argument here? A real "assault rifle" as used by our military have selective fire including semi-automatic, full-automatic, and burst. Extended magazines mean nothing, neither does the shoulder-thingy-that-goes-up.

Benghazi is a farce since they won't ever tell us what really happened because we armed Islamist militias to murder Gaddafi and then Hillary sent in CIA agent Christopher Stevens posing as ambassador to oversee a gun running program which would collect weapons and fighters to transport them to Turkey onto Syria to fight against Bashar al-Assad most of which ended up in the hands of ISIS or al-Qaeda, we've given terrorists literally billions in armaments and even have them on the payroll. There was no embassy in Benghazi, there was no consulate, there was no reason to be in that city at all and it was hardly at all safe with the militias that controlled it. That's why no help was sent, that's why Hillary watched these people die because it would of exposed her and this administrations crimes. Republicans are just as bad and involved are using the fringes of the issue to damage Hillary politically but they're just as culpable thus why they're not in a hurry to uncover the truth. Hillary was one of the worst Secretary of States in American history and is not qualified for office, she is a criminal that belongs in prison and should of went long long ago for her many other crimes that she slithered away from.



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NO ONE IS COMING FOR YOUR GUNS!! ! Seriously why do people keep sticking to this notion? The assault weapons ban does not ban all guns you can use to assault people with. That's ridiculous. All it did was ban certain attachments that make the weapons deadlier. Such as things like extended magazines. And it would have grandfathered in any guns or accessories already in circulation. Obama has actually expanded gun rights in some ways. People can now carry guns in national parks and he allowed people to bring guns in their luggage on to Amtrak (reversing the ban put in place by Bush after 9/11). I really don't know why this keeps coming up, you guys have said it yourself, rounding up the 300,000,000 plus guns in this country is impossible.

Even if there were a few democrats in congress who did want an outright ban, they would be vastly outnumbered by the rest of the party.

Can anybody name one person who seriously proposed seizing all guns? Because I can't think of one. Not even senator Feinstein has tried, and she's probably the most "anti-gun" person in congress.

And about the politicizing. Every politician does that about everything. It's just the nature of politics. We are largely a reactive nation, we're not good at taking action until something blows up in our face, even then we usually suck at it.

And Jacoby, how did you feel about the Republicans politicizing Benghazi? After 11 published reports by Republican led committees, no wrong doing has been shown and yet they keep acting like it was a scandal. If that isn't trying to score political points, then I don't know what is.


No it just takes 75% of my guns :roll: yep your right how dare we be upset that it'd ban and take 50-75% of guns owned in the USA. I'm not taking your money because I'm only going take 75% of it, you'll still have 25% of your money so chill out.

No it bans most simi autos and guns based on looks and the last one wanted to ban any gun that uses any ammo ever used by any military. So no 3006,308(both commonly used for hunting), no defensive handguns, no 9mm or .45. Congress did those things not Obama.

They are quoted tons of times saying if they could get the vote they would take them all"hand in your guns mr and Mrs. American"
Clinton is running on how we should ban all guns like uk and Australia. They've recorded politicians at anti gun events talking about how there goal is to ban all handguns and get them all off the street.

The right won't ban abortion or make women back into the kitchen yet the left freaks out about how they will if they could. Well the left in the past has done stuff and will do more if they can so its very real for us gun owners.

Would it be ok to ban black people from public spaces who wear hoodies?
Banning a gun because it looks scary is the same thing. You shouldn't ban things based of emotion and looks. That guns black ban it, that guns wood it's one, both preform the same in every way. Awb is like whit people who hold there bag closer because a black person got on the elevator they'll making an irrational emotional decision.

Heck the don't even know what stuff is. They think magazines are a one time use item, they called a barrel shroud , that thing that goes up and down, nope it's a cover for a barrel so you don't burn you or stuff when you put the gun down after shooting , yep truly evil device how dare people not want to be burnt by a hot barrel.
Most of them don't know anything about guns or gun laws so they make horrible bills others do it on purpose. Many are invested in gun companies and make millions every time they propose a bill and sales go up. At least one was illegally smuggling in full auto guns and anti tank rockets to gangs. And he was voted in again despite being in federal prison 0.o

Imagine if a group wanted to ban something you like while knowing nothing about it.



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Our government has no right to tell us we cannot own guns considering the amount they straight up give to terrorists and criminals like they have done in Syria and Mexico. I'll give up my guns when the president and his family give up theirs, the secret service all of them. People don't understand how evil our government is, we have a shadow government that run guns and drugs for their own nefarious reasons.