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05 Nov 2015, 7:57 pm

Yes. I'm the Muslim here, I know Islam better than any of you. And I've read the scriptures.



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05 Nov 2015, 8:10 pm

We're not Muslims, so we see Islam only through the behaviors and words of Islam's angry, judgmental, self-righteous hypocrites. THAT makes us experts on what's wrong with Islam.

Most of us here have similar perspectives on Buddhism, Christendom, Hinduism, Judaism, and the rest of the world's religions, in that the same people who claim that their religions are peaceful, charitable, and the paths to enlightenment also display anger, commit acts of violence, and express lust-filled desires inappropriately.

Islam is just one more religion that is used to justify intolerance, cruelty, violence, and prejudice against anyone who is not perfectly in line with its arbitrary doctrine.


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06 Nov 2015, 1:47 am

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Islam is an entire way of life.... if we allowed for people to proselytize in an Islamic state, then the society would crumble, and even those who don't convert would become less pious... as for blasphemy, I have to go with the scriptures... if the scriptures say to do something I do it... it's not i my place to cherry pick..... in fact, I'm not an expert on Islamic law and dogma, so don't take my word for it... the majority of Muslim scholars say apostasy is punishable by death...... my position is held by a minority of scholars, so imagine what scholars have to say about blasphemy and proselytizing.... besides, Judaism has similar laws... the punishment for apostasy in Judaism is stoning to death, and the punishment for blasphemy is death as well...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Judaism


If you have trust in the rightness of your religion, why should you be afraid of proselytizing by other religions? After all, wouldn't you believe that God will keep the faithful in the proper religion?


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06 Nov 2015, 2:19 am

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Define authentic hadith. The hadiths in question have a following and the authors are respected by some.

This is why you should not become a Salafi.

Also people have been put to death for Apostasy in Islam, and laws exist

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Also positioning yourself as a "True Scotsman" isn't going to help much. Many people claim to follow the true path.

I would distance yourself from people like this. Focus on what you believe as a reversionist/reformist and define yourself that way. Only go to a mosque that shares your position.



A proof that Muslim countries are still in the dark ages.



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06 Nov 2015, 2:38 am

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Well, my parents are from Turkey, and everything is legal in Turkey... all forms of sharia are banned under the secular constitution...... proselytizing other faiths, blasphemy, and apostasy are all legal.... the vast, vast majority of people are still Muslim, though.


Turkey is more secular, but I worry for its future.


Very worrying indeed.

Erdogan will try to Islamize it now - and this might lead to civil unrest or, at worst, even to civil war.

I work with Turks (Turkish affiliate of the company I work for), Istanbulians, they are extremely secular to the point that they do not like any religious references on their greeting cards for islamic holidays; in the last Fitr holiday, I have suggested certain greeting cards to be sent to our business partners and clients in Turkey, the first one had a simple "Happy Eid" (Bayram Mubarak) with a shadowed illustration of Aladdin-style city in the background (with mosques and such...), the Turksih affiliate rejected it abruptly because it looked "too islamic":P - they accepted the second one which had a picture of candies. Alcohol is a standard thing in their life of the secular populations; they are much like the Christians of Lebanon in almost everything.

So imagine how opposite they are with Erdogan's views, if he will try to impose his fundamental ideas then it will turn ugly...very ugly.

He's also seemingly wanting war with the Kurds.