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07 Nov 2015, 8:47 am

I'm curious, what is it exactly about Shariah laws that you like? They seem pretty regressive to me and can't imagine why someone would want to implement it unless that someone were looking for means of control.


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07 Nov 2015, 11:00 am

Naw I prefer being free to eat bacon and letting women run around nearly nakid!


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07 Nov 2015, 11:34 am

"I think the USA should go back to having a monarch (get rid of this silly "democracy fad"), and also go back to feudalism, and that we should revive serfdom. And that we should go back to burning women at the stake for doing witchcraft.

But folks think I am crazy if I talk about it. What should I do?"

If you have opinions like that I would just...keep on keeping them to yourself! :D



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07 Nov 2015, 11:58 am

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And that we should go back to burning women at the stake for doing witchcraft.


Only if they float, we are not savages. :D



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07 Nov 2015, 3:00 pm

Isn't sharia law about the subjugation of women? That might be a reason why some people (especially women) don't like the idea of you supporting the subjugation of half the species. It's pretty regressive and barbaric, and most of us have evolved beyond needing women to be considered under the law less than people. It's kind of laughably ridiculous, actually.



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07 Nov 2015, 3:03 pm

0_equals_true wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
And that we should go back to burning women at the stake for doing witchcraft.


Only if they float, we are not savages. :D

:lol:

Well...with due process of course!

Trial by drowning!



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07 Nov 2015, 4:35 pm

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Isn't sharia law about the subjugation of women?


Well, not ONLY about that. It's also about throwing gay men of off tall buildings and then throwing rocks at the corpse. Because reasons.


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07 Nov 2015, 4:39 pm

Ok, throwing gays off of buildings is not part of sharia.... that is too harsh.... but yes, the penalty for homosexual sex is either prison time, or death under shariah... in Wahhabi Qatar, it is 5 years in prison.... in Saudi Arabia, it is death. And shariah is not about the subjugation of women..... Islamic law, in terms of rights for women, was VERY ahead of its time.... in fact, all the oppression of women you see in shariah societies (ESPECIALLY gulf countries) came hundreds of years after Muhammad's death..... women in Muhammad (PBUH)'s time were active in their community.... it is only later generations that veiled women and confined them to the home.



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07 Nov 2015, 4:46 pm

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And shariah is not about the subjugation of women..... Islamic law, in terms of rights for women, was VERY ahead of its time....


Hmmm. Are you saying that it wasn't the subjugation of women when Mohammed married a six year old girl and then consumated their marriage when she ws nine?



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07 Nov 2015, 4:48 pm

Muhammad's marriage to a nine year old girl was not brought up until recent years..... You can not judge a man who lived almost 14 centuries ago by the social norms and customs of today....Child marriage was the norm in the world at the time, and due to the climate and the shorter life span (and possibly lack of air conditioning) A'isha was mentally a woman. Furthermore, the age of consent in delaware was 7 until 1880.



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07 Nov 2015, 4:53 pm

MonsterCrack wrote:
Ok, throwing gays off of buildings is not part of sharia.... that is too harsh.... but yes, the penalty for homosexual sex is either prison time, or death under shariah... in Wahhabi Qatar, it is 5 years in prison.... in Saudi Arabia, it is death. And shariah is not about the subjugation of women..... Islamic law, in terms of rights for women, was VERY ahead of its time.... in fact, all the oppression of women you see in shariah societies (ESPECIALLY gulf countries) came hundreds of years after Muhammad's death..... women in Muhammad (PBUH)'s time were active in their community.... it is only later generations that veiled women and confined them to the home.


Putting people in prison or to death for being the way God made them in the name of religion seems rather ironic to me. Any ideology that involves taking civil rights away from other human beings who have committed no real crimes (being gay should not be illegal any more than being straight should, not in a sane society) is dangerous and backwards, IMO.



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07 Nov 2015, 4:58 pm

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Muhammad's marriage to a nine year old girl was not brought up until recent years..... You can not judge a man who lived almost 14 centuries ago by the social norms and customs of today....


I can judge him and I do judge him by today's social norms.



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07 Nov 2015, 4:59 pm

eric76 wrote:
MonsterCrack wrote:
Muhammad's marriage to a nine year old girl was not brought up until recent years..... You can not judge a man who lived almost 14 centuries ago by the social norms and customs of today....


I can judge him and I do judge him by today's social norms.

A'isha consented to the marriage.... she loved Muhammad, and she was mentally an adult.



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07 Nov 2015, 5:11 pm

MonsterCrack wrote:
Muhammad's marriage to a nine year old girl was not brought up until recent years..... You can not judge a man who lived almost 14 centuries ago by the social norms and customs of today....Child marriage was the norm in the world at the time, and due to the climate and the shorter life span (and possibly lack of air conditioning) A'isha was mentally a woman. Furthermore, the age of consent in delaware was 7 until 1880.


Just because it was "the norm" doesn't mean it was right.

Slavery was once legal and "normal".



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07 Nov 2015, 5:13 pm

MonsterCrack wrote:
eric76 wrote:
MonsterCrack wrote:
Muhammad's marriage to a nine year old girl was not brought up until recent years..... You can not judge a man who lived almost 14 centuries ago by the social norms and customs of today....


I can judge him and I do judge him by today's social norms.

A'isha consented to the marriage.... she loved Muhammad, and she was mentally an adult.


There is no such thing as "mentally an adult". A 9 year old child has the brain (and therefore the mentality) of a 9 year old child.



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07 Nov 2015, 5:14 pm

MonsterCrack wrote:
Ok, throwing gays off of buildings is not part of sharia.... that is too harsh....


Better tell these people.

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it is only later generations that veiled women and confined them to the home.


The veil is a Byzantine practice adopted by Islam, but long predating Mohammed.


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Muhammad's marriage to a nine year old girl was not brought up until recent years..... You can not judge a man who lived almost 14 centuries ago by the social norms and customs of today....


You can if said man claims to be the bearer of the final revelation and the absolute truth from the creator of the universe. This man is supposed to be the example that the entire world should follow if Islams claim to be the universal religion is to mean anything at all. So why is it that when Muhammeds bad deeds are brough up he was a product of his time and must be judged as such, but when his good deeds are brought up it's proof of the eternal wisdom divinely bestowed upon him?


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A'isha consented to the marriage.... she loved Muhammad, and she was mentally an adult.


While I'm not really too concerned with whether or not a desert warlord from 14 centuries ago married a kid or not, you have no way to know any of this.

Also, 9 year olds can't consent to anything.


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