Which of these political commentators is worst?

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07 Nov 2015, 9:22 am

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to scientists, theory = law. examples: the theory of gravity, the wave theory of light, the theory of evolution. these things are facts, or would you jump off a cliff because gravity is "only a theory".


Okay... I know I should leave this alone, but as someone who has worked his entire life in applied science, this sort of sloppiness drives me up a wall.

Gravity is a law. It can be boiled down to a set of cold equations, and provided with accurate data, those equations are NEVER wrong within our current frame of understanding.

Things like evolution, relativity, and quantum theory are very useful in helping us understand the universe. They're great at helping us understand the big picture (how things work) but they also contain gaps and after a certain point, they fail. Hence, these concepts are only theories, not laws (or facts if we're defining facts as truth beyond reproach). They're 'best guesses' but not quite right.

That's the best science/research by humans can do... The important bit about good science is that it is subject to change as our observations improve. I get really uncomfortable when people start talking about science in absolute terms like facts. If you need absolutes (outside of math) go to church.

If you want to dispute religious pseudo-science you don't do it by claiming the real science is based in 'observable facts.' Pseudo-science is based on 'faith-based facts.'

If you want to discredit pseudo-science/religious myths, you cannot attack their facts with yours.

What you do is ask for examples of applications. Where are all the patents based on creation science?

If the knowledge cannot be used in some way--call it theory, law, or even fact. It's just nonsense.


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07 Nov 2015, 9:49 am

There is a differnce between hypothesis, theory and law in science.

There is both a theory of gravity and a law of gravity. Law of gravity only relates to Newtonian Mechanics.

Lay speak theory=hypothesis, but theory is not hypothesis in science, becuase it back up by evidence.

It is also depend on which school of science you are subscribe. In some schools you can say that nothing is ever truly law as an absolute. Nothing is ever 100% proven in science. That is one of the principle of scientific inquiry.



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07 Nov 2015, 10:08 am

^^^ Yeah, branches of science matter too.

There are lots of laws in physics and chemistry and more theories in biology and nothing but theories in social sciences. The softer the science, the more dependent it tends to be on theory and hypothesis.


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16 Nov 2015, 12:52 pm

Melissa Harris Parry.



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16 Nov 2015, 9:37 pm

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Melissa Harris Parry.


But at least she's hot!


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17 Nov 2015, 10:53 pm

I choose Sean Hannity because it seems to me like he really doesn't even have his own opinions. He just goes along with the Republican talking points. There are people like Bill O'Reilly who even though leans heavily conservative he still has his own opinion and doesn't just agree with everything the Republicans do no matter what.



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18 Nov 2015, 4:05 am

Always amazing how many liberals listen to conservative commentators.
I, a hate mongering jackbooted conservative, won't take the time to listen to or read anything of theirs.
Well, if ever I decide to start I'll come back to this thread to see who's the best. That will, of course, be the ones you all hate the most. :twisted:


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19 Nov 2015, 12:54 pm

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looniverse wrote:
Melissa Harris Parry.


But at least she's hot!


I suppose if you're deaf.

dumb.

AND blind.

You're welcome to tilt that machine.



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19 Nov 2015, 4:39 pm

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1) sam harris....
with his support of conservative war-mongering, his shoving atheism down people's throats, his silence on the persecution of rohingya, his calls for military conquests of all muslims, his personality cult, and his pretending to be an expert on islam when clearly he isnt.... and his views on islam even conflicting with extreme scholars like bilal philips, muhammad salah, assim al hakeem, etc.
2) richard dawkins.... with his treating the THEORY of evolution as FACT and bullying anyone who doesn't agree that it is fact, and pretending to be an expert on Islam when clearly he isn't, and his own views on Islam conflict with even the extreme scholars like bilal philips and muhammad salah and assim al hakeem, etc.
3) ann coulter... with her calls for the deportation of "30,000,000 illegal immigrants"
4) pamela geller..... flamboyant hate speech
5) sean hannity.... self explanatory.


Sam Harris's war-mongering is not motivated by his supposed "conservatism". It is motivated by his Jewishness. Same goes for Pamela Gellar. Modern American conservatism and modern American liberalism are two sides of the same Jewish-controlled coin. Ann Coulter strays much further from the reservation than Sean Hannity does though, which is why so many media Jews hate her so much.



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20 Nov 2015, 2:37 am

Raptor wrote:
Always amazing how many liberals listen to conservative commentators.
I, a hate mongering jackbooted conservative, won't take the time to listen to or read anything of theirs.
Well, if ever I decide to start I'll come back to this thread to see who's the best. That will, of course, be the ones you all hate the most. :twisted:

good on you for not listening to fox lies. they won a lawsuit by saying they don't have to present the truth because they are entertainment, not news.



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20 Nov 2015, 8:35 am

cathylynn wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Always amazing how many liberals listen to conservative commentators.
I, a hate mongering jackbooted conservative, won't take the time to listen to or read anything of theirs.
Well, if ever I decide to start I'll come back to this thread to see who's the best. That will, of course, be the ones you all hate the most. :twisted:

good on you for not listening to fox lies. they won a lawsuit by saying they don't have to present the truth because they are entertainment, not news.


I don't think that's what Raptor was saying.

He was saying he (as a self-identified conservative) does not listen to liberal commentators, whereas liberals love listening to conservative commentators.

Personally I find the endless liberal v conservative slanging matches rather ridiculous, and I'm amazed more people cannot see through them.



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20 Nov 2015, 9:00 am

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Personally I find the endless liberal v conservative slanging matches rather ridiculous, and I'm amazed more people cannot see through them.


I think those people are noticeable by their absence.



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20 Nov 2015, 11:50 am

Rollo wrote:
cathylynn wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Always amazing how many liberals listen to conservative commentators.
I, a hate mongering jackbooted conservative, won't take the time to listen to or read anything of theirs.
Well, if ever I decide to start I'll come back to this thread to see who's the best. That will, of course, be the ones you all hate the most. :twisted:

good on you for not listening to fox lies. they won a lawsuit by saying they don't have to present the truth because they are entertainment, not news.


I don't think that's what Raptor was saying.

He was saying he (as a self-identified conservative) does not listen to liberal commentators, whereas liberals love listening to conservative commentators.

He was saying that he doesn't listen to anycommentator (yet) but is amused that liberals seem to love to torture themselves by listening to any conservative commentator. They apparently have Fox news on 24/7 by all thier whining and hand wringing about Fox this and Fox that and "did you hear what those bastards at Fox are saying about the president now!" or whatever.

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Personally I find the endless liberal v conservative slanging matches rather ridiculous, and I'm amazed more people cannot see through them.

Yes it's very polarized but it's just the era we find ourselves in for the time being. It'll calm down sooner or later in it's own time independent of you and I so in the meantime don't sweat it and just grab handfuls of mud and sling away. :D


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21 Nov 2015, 10:57 am

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MonsterCrack wrote:
1) sam harris....
with his support of conservative war-mongering, his shoving atheism down people's throats, his silence on the persecution of rohingya, his calls for military conquests of all muslims, his personality cult, and his pretending to be an expert on islam when clearly he isnt.... and his views on islam even conflicting with extreme scholars like bilal philips, muhammad salah, assim al hakeem, etc.
2) richard dawkins.... with his treating the THEORY of evolution as FACT and bullying anyone who doesn't agree that it is fact, and pretending to be an expert on Islam when clearly he isn't, and his own views on Islam conflict with even the extreme scholars like bilal philips and muhammad salah and assim al hakeem, etc.
3) ann coulter... with her calls for the deportation of "30,000,000 illegal immigrants"
4) pamela geller..... flamboyant hate speech
5) sean hannity.... self explanatory.


Sam Harris's war-mongering is not motivated by his supposed "conservatism". It is motivated by his Jewishness. Same goes for Pamela Gellar. Modern American conservatism and modern American liberalism are two sides of the same Jewish-controlled coin. Ann Coulter strays much further from the reservation than Sean Hannity does though, which is why so many media Jews hate her so much.


What is this obsession you have with Jews?


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