In theory, which religion has better human rights?

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08 Nov 2015, 6:42 pm

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I am asking the mods to lock this thread since it is turning into a battle over history by two people who are clearly not experts and are not qualified to speak on this matter... it could get very, very stupid...


Which rules have been violated here?



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08 Nov 2015, 6:45 pm

MonsterCrack wrote:
I am asking the mods to lock this thread since it is turning into a battle over history by two people who are clearly not experts and are not qualified to speak on this matter... it could get very, very stupid...

AKA people disputing what you're saying and you not being able to handle it.

If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.



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08 Nov 2015, 6:47 pm

I am not very impressed with how either of these look at "other people".

Islam:

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Judaism:

Sanhedrin 59a

"To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."


Interesting. Islam calls for the decapitation of heads and fingertips of those who disbelieve.

Judaism is more covert. The verse in question is a good explanation as to why they keep the Talmudic books in the Synagogue and the rabbis guard them well.
There's obviously some pretty disturbing writings in there, judging from the verse in question.

Seems to me that none of the Abrahamic faiths produce much good except for within their respective cliques.



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08 Nov 2015, 6:49 pm

I'm still waiting to see an itemized list of citations to reference to support the original list.

How about this:
Number of planned or real terrorist attacks on the United States
___Judaism: none that I know of (assuming that the attack on the USS LIberty was not a terrorist attack)
___Islam: multiple attacks



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08 Nov 2015, 6:50 pm

you are taking verses out of context.... again, you are not an expert on the Qur'an so stop ACTING LIKE YOU ARE! The Qur'an's verses were each revealed in response to a specific situation occuring in Prophet Muhammad's life.... it was revealed over a period of 23 years, and it is not in order from beginning of revelation to end..... all verses in the Qur';an which refer to violence are referring to self-defense, according to the consensus of the scholars....it is dangerous, i repeat, DANGEROUS for a layperson to interpret the translation of the Qur'an without formal education in tafseer or knowledge of classical arabic..... and the Quran, like many holy books, contains a lot of figurative speech



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08 Nov 2015, 6:51 pm

eric76 wrote:
I'm still waiting to see an itemized list of citations to reference to support the original list.

How about this:
Number of planned or real terrorist attacks on the United States
___Judaism: none that I know of (assuming that the attack on the USS LIberty was not a terrorist attack)
___Islam: multiple attacks

How about Jewish settler violence? how about burmese persecution of the rohingya? the un says the rohingya are the world's most persecuted group...



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08 Nov 2015, 6:52 pm

so much for "peaceful buddhists"....



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08 Nov 2015, 6:56 pm

and are you suggesting that the criteria for a "peaceful religion" are whether or not they attack the United States??? wow, sounds like american egocentrism to me....



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08 Nov 2015, 7:01 pm

Regarding the so-called human rights under sharia, from http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2014/10/28/punished-for-being-raped-the-burden-of-women-under-sharia/:

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ISIS has just be-headed a woman in Baquba because she dared to resist being raped. In the process of struggling to defend herself, she actually killed her would-be rapist, an ISIS warrior. The woman was at home recovering from a medical illness.


Read the rest. There are plenty of other instances mentioned as well.



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08 Nov 2015, 7:03 pm

ISIS is an extremist example, eric.... you can not cite what isis does and say, "LOOK! THE QUR'AN TEACHES THIS! ISIS is an extremist minority too extreme even for al qaeda



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08 Nov 2015, 7:03 pm

MonsterCrack wrote:
and are you suggesting that the criteria for a "peaceful religion" are whether or not they attack the United States??? wow, sounds like american egocentrism to me....


We sure wouldn't want you to be exposed too much to the concepts of laws and morals.



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08 Nov 2015, 7:05 pm

reported!



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08 Nov 2015, 7:06 pm

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I've reported this thread.



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08 Nov 2015, 7:08 pm

That wasn't a personal attack.


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08 Nov 2015, 7:10 pm

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Sheeesh!



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08 Nov 2015, 7:10 pm

eric76 wrote:
MonsterCrack wrote:
and are you suggesting that the criteria for a "peaceful religion" are whether or not they attack the United States??? wow, sounds like american egocentrism to me....


We sure wouldn't want you to be exposed too much to the concepts of laws and morals.

we sure wouldnt want you giving a lecture on religion, or anywhere NEAR a history/religious studies academia job...