Ever Wonder Why Humans Crave the Artificial?

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15 Nov 2015, 7:04 pm

We're hard wired to seek comfort and abundance, because comfort and abundance mean survival. We like convenience because it makes abundance easier to achieve. These things make us feel safe.

Now, you can argue that we in the First World have taken comfort, abundance, and convenience too far.

I wouldn't be able to argue that point. We have. We've taken it to the point of sloth and greed.

And we're accustomed to it that way, and we like it that way, and we're not going to change as long as we have a choice.

That's sad.


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16 Nov 2015, 1:50 pm

This is like asking "why is water wet?".

The word "artificial" means....."man made".

So the OP is asking "why does the human species crave what the human species itself makes?"

Answer: Probably because stuff made by the human species was made by the human species to accomidate the human species.



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16 Nov 2015, 2:59 pm

My cat likes the heat that comes from my computer and will often sit on it. :D

In the winter, pests often like to spend time in human homes because of the central heating and abundance of food.


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16 Nov 2015, 3:09 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
One thing that really stands out about our species is we love anything that's artificial and tend to loathe the natural world. We like our air conditioners, heaters, electric lights, gadgets, chlorinated water, synthetic fabrics, to name some examples. What is it in our makeup that alienates us from nature so? We would be better off toughening up and adapting, wouldn't we?


I don't loath nature or prefer artificial things....so can't really relate to that.


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17 Nov 2015, 8:28 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
One thing that really stands out about our species is we love anything that's artificial and tend to loathe the natural world. We like our air conditioners, heaters, electric lights, gadgets, chlorinated water, synthetic fabrics, to name some examples. What is it in our makeup that alienates us from nature so? We would be better off toughening up and adapting, wouldn't we?


Uh no, becoming an Amish person sounds f*****g lame and boring. Might be fun for a week though.



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17 Nov 2015, 10:43 pm

Only to a very specific extent.

I've noticed that people really like to have the artificial but keep it feeling very organic. IMHO the shiny futuristic metal cities and planes of science fiction - we'd hate it even if it weren't environmental suicide. We want a road to look like a road, a table to look like rich maple or cherry, our houses to have futuristic gadgets but look old-fashion and wholesome midwest otherwise, we want out cars to show refinement, class, and the right amount of self-restraint; I think we're pretty much at the ratio of real and fake-imitating-real that we usually like. Occasionally you'll have a fashion swing like the 80's where everything will go super-gaudy and plastic, then we scare ourselves (the sheer quantity of aerosols, carcinogens, and occasional human torch when the edge of someone's fashion helmet or weave caught the tip of a cigarette was enough!).


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18 Nov 2015, 8:10 am

This dog is attracted to the artificial:

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18 Nov 2015, 8:15 am

:lol:

Thats one smart pooch.

And he has a very strong and dexterous mouth.



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18 Nov 2015, 8:20 am

All our technologies are, in fact, adaptations. We're using our most adaptable bit-- our brains-- to manipulate the environment to be more accommodating for us.

Do I think we've gone too far??

Yes, honestly, I do. When a person has so thoroughly adapted to modern conveniences that they can't do without a dishwasher and little things to make the air smell like chemical flowers and central air conditioning, or that it's more instinctive to turn up the thermostat than to put on a sweater, we've probably gone too far.

When we not only can't raise a garden but find ourselves dependent on hot dogs, instant rice, and microwave meals (and we're not adults with more-significant-than-Asperger's special needs or teenagers just learning to cook) because putting ingredients together is too hard, we've probably gone too far.

Do I think we should make sure to retain the ability to adapt to reduced circumstances?? Given how fragile all our adaptations are, yes, I do. Lately I haven't been very good about that, though, so I should probably stop preaching right now.


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18 Nov 2015, 8:24 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Occasionally you'll have a fashion swing like the 80's where everything will go super-gaudy and plastic, then we scare ourselves (the sheer quantity of aerosols, carcinogens, and occasional human torch when the edge of someone's fashion helmet or weave caught the tip of a cigarette was enough!).


I always thought that the biggest technological gap between two decades in the 20th century was the difference between the 1970s vs. the 1980s.

The early 80s movie "Tron" is a perfect example of this.



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18 Nov 2015, 12:50 pm

Venger wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Occasionally you'll have a fashion swing like the 80's where everything will go super-gaudy and plastic, then we scare ourselves (the sheer quantity of aerosols, carcinogens, and occasional human torch when the edge of someone's fashion helmet or weave caught the tip of a cigarette was enough!).


I always thought that the biggest technological gap between two decades in the 20th century was the difference between the 1970s vs. the 1980s.

The early 80s movie "Tron" is a perfect example of this.

I was a child in the 1970's and so missed the back-to-nature, the craftiness, the resourcefulness that was part of the era until Disco came along. It was very much like the Craftsman movement of two generations prior. The 80's for me were...uncomfortable, not a great fit. I'd been waiting for the next wave of resourcefulness and back-to-nature, but of course it manifested in a completely different way this time around. The Maker movement, the scrapbooking movement, the various other crafting movements, all of the 2000's. And, the organics, the off-the-grid folks, the gardeners, the hikers, the naturalists have all found each other. Interestingly the Internet allowed special interest individuals to find each other but it has also largely sequestered them in their own bubble rather than the previous pattern of ebb and flow of influence on mainstream / pop culture. Now I fear pop culture has become its own bubble, too and has become a fairly uniform (if ever changing) random mashup of completely disparate elements borrowed from it's own past.

And no, I'm not convinced this is a bad thing at all. :-)


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18 Nov 2015, 9:44 pm

What's natural?

Humans have bent nature to their will, amd have accidentally medfled with it as well. When I go out into the forest, it's not like a forest 500 years ago. There's paths, reforestation efforts, riverbeds desigmed and changed, and asian honeysuckle varieties everywhere. I'd have to go pretty far -leave central europe- to find a place that's remotely natural, free of human history and attempts to make the place into something of economic value - which I think is the bigger issue: nature has not been assigned economic value.
Even if a place's environment has a natural beauty, its value lies in tourism, and as such we seek a way to optimize that way of exploitation.


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20 Nov 2015, 12:32 am

My theory is that it's because stuff was a lot more difficult, more expensive (in more than just monetary terms), and often lower quality way back when.

Or some mix of the above. For example, 70 years ago there was a lot more stuff made out of durable metals, but when you correct for inflation they actually cost far more than modern examples.

I get a chuckle out of people making "rustic" foodstuffs. Our ingredients today are far higher quality than they were even 30 years ago, in most regards.

When i look at western (e.g. european, etc) recipes from hundreds of years ago i have the inescapable conclusion that food sucked hundreds of years ago.

Some of it doesn't even make sense from a modern perspective. Like back when butchers cut meat across the long bones instead of at the joints. They wrote about having a "good joint of meat". Our experience of eating meat has been greatly enhanced both by the expanded knowledge of butchering and greater technology in tool making.

Our agriculture would blow the minds of people who lived 100 years ago. Yes there have been losses, like the fact that the ability to buy a fresh tomato any day of the year turned out, for the moment, to require that the tomato tastes like wet paper. But most fruits, vegetables, grains, etc that are grown today are better than they were 100 years ago.

We are tool makers and tool users. We improve our tools so that we can do better work with them and live better lives.

I mean honestly have you gone to a thrift store and felt the synthetic fabrics that were available in the 60's, 70's, and 80's? They were terrible compared to what you can get today.

The "back to nature" movements have all been shams. People leading lives of convenience who take advantage of their technology to go slumming in the sticks and dress down for a bit. It's exactly like millennial hipsters who for some reason think cassette tapes are cool. Cassette tapes suck. They always sucked. They sucked when they were introduced, they sucked when the technology matured, and they sucked when they were rendered obsolete.



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20 Nov 2015, 2:22 pm

blauSamstag wrote:
My theory is that it's because stuff was a lot more difficult, more expensive (in more than just monetary terms), and often lower quality way back when.

Or some mix of the above. For example, 70 years ago there was a lot more stuff made out of durable metals, but when you correct for inflation they actually cost far more than modern examples.

I get a chuckle out of people making "rustic" foodstuffs. Our ingredients today are far higher quality than they were even 30 years ago, in most regards.

When i look at western (e.g. european, etc) recipes from hundreds of years ago i have the inescapable conclusion that food sucked hundreds of years ago.

Some of it doesn't even make sense from a modern perspective. Like back when butchers cut meat across the long bones instead of at the joints. They wrote about having a "good joint of meat". Our experience of eating meat has been greatly enhanced both by the expanded knowledge of butchering and greater technology in tool making.

Our agriculture would blow the minds of people who lived 100 years ago. Yes there have been losses, like the fact that the ability to buy a fresh tomato any day of the year turned out, for the moment, to require that the tomato tastes like wet paper. But most fruits, vegetables, grains, etc that are grown today are better than they were 100 years ago.

We are tool makers and tool users. We improve our tools so that we can do better work with them and live better lives.

I mean honestly have you gone to a thrift store and felt the synthetic fabrics that were available in the 60's, 70's, and 80's? They were terrible compared to what you can get today.

The "back to nature" movements have all been shams. People leading lives of convenience who take advantage of their technology to go slumming in the sticks and dress down for a bit. It's exactly like millennial hipsters who for some reason think cassette tapes are cool. Cassette tapes suck. They always sucked. They sucked when they were introduced, they sucked when the technology matured, and they sucked when they were rendered obsolete.


Just to point out, cassette tapes did not suck at the time for the average person who just wanted to record music or speech at some baseline usable quality without the inconvenience of reel-to-reel. There really was nothing comparable at the time that had any sort of market ubiquity, especially for potable use.

And although I disagree on a number of your points concerning food, I'm not going to argue them because I'd rather thank you for reminding me that yes, a lot artificial of things *are* better than the artificial things of my childhood. The 70's were not a great time for anything made of synthetic or manufactured materials.


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21 Nov 2015, 1:42 am

Edenthiel wrote:
Just to point out, cassette tapes did not suck at the time for the average person who just wanted to record music or speech at some baseline usable quality without the inconvenience of reel-to-reel. There really was nothing comparable at the time that had any sort of market ubiquity, especially for potable use.


8 tracks, reel to reel, all that stuff was higher quality. It was success through mediocrity and ubiquity. Just like VHS.

cassettes are just small and convenient and cheap. And fragile. And low quality.

I bought my first walkman in about 1986. I was buying high-end units by the early 90's.

I do not mourn the passing of the cassette tape. Or any other magnetic medium.



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21 Nov 2015, 2:04 am

I'm not convinced sloth & greed are at nor anywhere near the root of it. Refinement is seen as novelty and that's where we perceive artifice. This is all predicated on the assumption that as organisms we're absolutely distinguishable from what we create.


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