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16 Nov 2015, 11:01 pm

MonsterCrack-

Are you currently taking Judaic religious studies? I ask, because I believe Jews feel you need to undergo the religious training to join their faith.


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16 Nov 2015, 11:13 pm

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I think Russian Orthodox might suit you. It's a challenge for young men with strict rules on many aspects of life and also provides the strong "extended family" aspect I am sure you found enticing in Islam. You'l



"Enticing"?

He is a Turkish person.Not a Westerner as you apparently assume. So he was born into Islam. He was not "enticed" into it.



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16 Nov 2015, 11:34 pm

My bad, I got the impression from earlier threads that he was a seeker, interested in, but not from Islam. I also got the impression, which may still be true that he is interested in a rather strict, uncompromising belief system, which is why I suggested Russian Orthodox. If he can see that religion is a choice and wishes to remain in America, then cultural friction is a factor to be considered.


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17 Nov 2015, 4:45 am

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Rather than looking for answers in one ancient book or another, why not convert to thinking for yourself?


He is doing so, when I was at his age when I was still Muslim (born one) and before I become agnostic, I have leaned from Islam to other religions in the process. It's not like woke up in one morning and decided "Aha! I wanna be atheist!" - it happened gradually without knowing.

How many people (not only Muslims) choose religion on their own by personal research and by self-convince? Not so many, MonsterCrack is showing a sign of free thinking instead of blindly following what he was taught as a child.

Regarding Judaism, I don't think it differs much from Islam, they are two extremely similar religions: Both are strictly monotheist, both care too much former prophets, both have similar lifestyles: the way of praying (ie. washing before praying, the "rocking" move while reading holy book...etc), the halal/kusher thing, list of edible clean/unclean animals, no pork and no alcohol, both favor men, both somehow have the concept of holy war (Holy conquest of Canaan and ethnic cleaning vs Jihad), in both the depict the image of God not encouraged or permitted, many things of the Sharia laws are similar to the old Jewish laws.

Judaism and Christianity have similarities in other ways too: The structures of Churches and Synagogues look very alike , certain rituals like marriage rituals are very similar, .....however Christianity, as initially a liberal jewish movement, knocked down the old ways and removed most of the strict ways of living.

But to each his own.



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17 Nov 2015, 9:25 am

But you were a devout Muslim just a couple of days ago.

C'mon, my friend. You have to find something in your life--and stick with it. You have a very inquisitive and exploring mind.

But when it comes to something like religion, you can't just convert to multiple religions all the time. You have to find something which satisfies you.

I bet what would really satisfy you is a religion which combines elements of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam---but mostly Islam.



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17 Nov 2015, 9:41 am

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But you were a devout Muslim just a couple of days ago.

C'mon, my friend. You have to find something in your life--and stick with it. You have a very inquisitive and exploring mind.

But when it comes to something like religion, you can't just convert to multiple religions all the time. You have to find something which satisfies you.

I bet what would really satisfy you is a religion which combines elements of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam---but mostly Islam.


He IS only 16.



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17 Nov 2015, 9:50 am

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Rather than looking for answers in one ancient book or another, why not convert to thinking for yourself?


Everybody's entitled to change religion a few times when they're sixteen. I'd just keep my mouth shut about it for a while - not everybody is tolerant.



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17 Nov 2015, 10:04 am

I suppose you're right. He is only 16.

I don't care what religion somebody is.

To convert to Judaism, though (for some reason) is a really arduous process.



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17 Nov 2015, 10:18 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
But you were a devout Muslim just a couple of days ago.

C'mon, my friend. You have to find something in your life--and stick with it. You have a very inquisitive and exploring mind.

But when it comes to something like religion, you can't just convert to multiple religions all the time. You have to find something which satisfies you.

I bet what would really satisfy you is a religion which combines elements of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam---but mostly Islam.


I would think exploring different religions outside of Islam would be beneficial to the process of finding something that satisfies him...that he'd want to 'stick to'. Though I do not think one has to stick to a religion or belief necessarily...you can never predict what might happen or what you might learn or if you'll come to establish strong beliefs only to have every bit of it challenged and find your self questioning it all, all over again.

I even got baptised as a teen....and then did a little ritual to undo that, a couple months later, hopefully it worked....lol.


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17 Nov 2015, 11:46 am

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kraftiekortie wrote:
But you were a devout Muslim just a couple of days ago.

C'mon, my friend. You have to find something in your life--and stick with it. You have a very inquisitive and exploring mind.

But when it comes to something like religion, you can't just convert to multiple religions all the time. You have to find something which satisfies you.

I bet what would really satisfy you is a religion which combines elements of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam---but mostly Islam.


I would think exploring different religions outside of Islam would be beneficial to the process of finding something that satisfies him...that he'd want to 'stick to'. Though I do not think one has to stick to a religion or belief necessarily...you can never predict what might happen or what you might learn or if you'll come to establish strong beliefs only to have every bit of it challenged and find your self questioning it all, all over again.

I even got baptised as a teen....and then did a little ritual to undo that, a couple months later, hopefully it worked....lol.


I had no idea there was an unbaptising ritual.


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17 Nov 2015, 11:48 am

They put you into a tanning sauna to dry you out!



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17 Nov 2015, 11:52 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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kraftiekortie wrote:
But you were a devout Muslim just a couple of days ago.

C'mon, my friend. You have to find something in your life--and stick with it. You have a very inquisitive and exploring mind.

But when it comes to something like religion, you can't just convert to multiple religions all the time. You have to find something which satisfies you.

I bet what would really satisfy you is a religion which combines elements of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam---but mostly Islam.


I would think exploring different religions outside of Islam would be beneficial to the process of finding something that satisfies him...that he'd want to 'stick to'. Though I do not think one has to stick to a religion or belief necessarily...you can never predict what might happen or what you might learn or if you'll come to establish strong beliefs only to have every bit of it challenged and find your self questioning it all, all over again.

I even got baptised as a teen....and then did a little ritual to undo that, a couple months later, hopefully it worked....lol.


I had no idea there was an unbaptising ritual.


There isn't that I know of....I just kind of improvised lol.


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17 Nov 2015, 12:09 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
But you were a devout Muslim just a couple of days ago.

C'mon, my friend. You have to find something in your life--and stick with it. You have a very inquisitive and exploring mind.

But when it comes to something like religion, you can't just convert to multiple religions all the time. You have to find something which satisfies you.

I bet what would really satisfy you is a religion which combines elements of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam---but mostly Islam.


I would think exploring different religions outside of Islam would be beneficial to the process of finding something that satisfies him...that he'd want to 'stick to'. Though I do not think one has to stick to a religion or belief necessarily...you can never predict what might happen or what you might learn or if you'll come to establish strong beliefs only to have every bit of it challenged and find your self questioning it all, all over again.

I even got baptised as a teen....and then did a little ritual to undo that, a couple months later, hopefully it worked....lol.


I had no idea there was an unbaptising ritual.


There isn't that I know of....I just kind of improvised lol.

Gotcha.


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17 Nov 2015, 1:13 pm

Sufism is worth looking at



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17 Nov 2015, 1:37 pm

He WAS flirting with...Salafism/Wahabism.

Settling on ANY thing other than THAT gets my thumbs up. :)

But there are other splinter creeds within Islam that might be worth looking into. Notably including the above mentioned Sufism.

Orthodox Judaism has the strictness he seems to crave, and has similar rules to Islam that he would find familiar (like dietary rules). But yes- actually being accepted into Judaism is a bit like getting a law school. There is that downside.



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17 Nov 2015, 5:48 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
luan78zao wrote:
Rather than looking for answers in one ancient book or another, why not convert to thinking for yourself?


He is doing so, when I was at his age when I was still Muslim (born one) and before I become agnostic, I have leaned from Islam to other religions in the process. It's not like woke up in one morning and decided "Aha! I wanna be atheist!" - it happened gradually without knowing.


Have you heard of Turan Dursun? He is my favourite skeptic, unfortunately he was assassinated 1990.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turan_Dursun