Turkey downs Russian jet over syria....

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Putin has always had high approval ratings, he's very popular in Russia because Russians remember the 90s and credit Putin with restoring honor and prestige to country as well as dramatically improving their QoL. He'll be remembered alongside Peter I and Catherine II as among the greatest leaders in Russian history which mind you there isn't a lot of competition. I don't believe in the propaganda war against Putin or Russia is based in fact, I think he's merely reacted to the situations put in front of him whereas the US thinks of foreign affairs as a 'grand chessboard'. The US was wrong in Ukraine and wrong in Syria, they bombed the s**t out of Yugoslavia just because they could with a weakened humiliated Russia in the 90s but now they couldn't. The Kosovo precedent is really biting the west in the ass, self-determination is okay only when it serves American interests. A lot of these terrorists cut their teeth in Balkans, the KLA was a terrorist group that attacked Serbian civilians and we intervened in their civil war. Sounds familiar right?

Looks like Turkey will be roasted just in time for Thanksgiving.

Nice one.

bird strikes are a constant threat at lower altitudes.

Also if you want proof of Turkey's lies listen that audio warning they give

One in ENGLISH in a heavily Turkish accent, do you think a Russian Su-24 bomber pilot would speak English? That's like all those "protests" we see in other countries where all the signs are magically in English. That's for us, the stupid non-questioning American public.

It's doubtful that the Su-24 even entered Turkey for the 17 seconds they claimed as that peninsula of Turkish land is a little more than a mile long. How fast do you think a Su-24 flies? If it was flying that slow they would be at stall speed and fall out of the sky, I can't believe the outrageous lies Turkey and NATO are saying. WE ARE THE BAD GUYS, have you ever thought about that? This was a preplanned deliberate attack.

You are not bad guys. Some are with the 'right' and and some are with the 'good'. Someone says defend your brother even if he is right and some say defend your brother only if he is right. But the last sounds harsh right? A group is normally more prone to defend their ally or friend without thinking. This is normal. Everyone does errors. And this is their ways...

Russia should provide S-400s to the Greeks and especially the Kurds in Syria, Turkish aggression and support for ISIS needs to be stopped. Turkish jets should be fair game in Syria, they are not on our side. It's disgusting, we've accuse Assad of buying ISIS's oil but it was the Turks the entire time and why hasn't Obama attacked ISIS oil infrastructure? Former deputy CIA director said Obama isn't bombing it out of fear of the environmental impact, it's all a joke.

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Historically, the Turkish nation (Turkey, Ottoman, Seljuks..etc) is historically a warring nation, and was never an ally of the west/europe/russia - and was never easy to be defeated and it rises again and bites back every time.

So I doubt Russia or Europe would want to start war with Turkey, I do think Putin would only go on war in proxy with them.

The Turkish state is one built on genocide and ethnic cleansing, it could fall apart pretty easily as the country is like still like 20% Kurdish despite their best efforts and now with a huge amount of refugees. About a quarter of the country is Shia, there are definite sectarian divides. A large percentage of Turks do not support their Islamist government, they have a lot of enemies.

Perhaps Cyprus could use some S-400s too.

You hit the nail on the head, they are two peas in pod.

However Russia hasn't hasn't had elections over day to day policy yet. They have little to compare with in their history.

The have elections every now and then over vague concepts like "strength" rather than having freedom of information for checking out the state of things.

Arguably Turkey should not be in NATO. However it was one of the founding members.

Probably it is not necessarily to down these planes I agree. Normally there is an escort.

Russians pilot still are quite caviler. They have done ridiculous and dangerous maneuvers just to show off or intimidate in the past. It wouldn't surprise me if they weren't just playing chicken. I doubt goes much higher than the squadron.

If you sail close to the wind with someone as bat s**t crazy as Erdogan this is the kind of outcome that happens.

Cyprus already has ground to air

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus_Air_Forces

Also if turkey tried it on, British planes would be scrambled.

The armenian genocide never happened. Ethnic clesnsing did happen however, but that was because armenian militias were massacring Turks. As for cyprus, Turks and greeks were living there until greeks decided to massacre Turks.

The Armenian genocide did happen, it is well documented, as was the forced march through Syria.

The definition of genocide is ethic cleansing by death.

The Turks retaliated on a general Population in retaliation for specific groups.

I have a problem calling countries that don't respect freedom of press democracies. Maybe they have elections, but they aren't liberal democracies. What use are elections when there isn't even freedom of information?