Why the double standards?

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That's not true. I've yet to witness that. Have you?



Once again, not true. In both cases, when I've seen someone, both male and female, say something like that, everyone rolled their eyes and assumed they were just being bitchy. I've yet to see a woman be openly sexist against men and be well-liked.



Are black people favored in job interviews? Do you know that for a fact? Do you have proof from a credible source? Who said black people and women are more entitled than you? Programs like Affirmative Action are designed to level the playing field. As a white male (I'm assuming, sorry), you do get preferential treatment, whether you like or not.

I think you need to re-read your history.



Yeah, it's a bigger problem people care to admit to, because it scares off members and creates a toxic community that leaks to other subforums. All you can really do is roll your eyes and lurk, which is what I do 95% of the time.

Scary the things people normalize.

Well, it's making this particular member a lot less interested in being on this site. I haven't seen too much that's really flagrant; what's far more concerning is the fact that someone can make a post like some we're seeing here, and then have a dozen people pat them on the back for it before someone goes "hey, not cool." It's really not a good sign, and not something that inspires confidence in a site that's supposedly inclusive.

The dog whistles aren't even subtle in a lot of these.

Mine was the third or fourth response....and I disagreed totally with the OP's premise.

Then I owe you an apology, I must have read it too quickly and misunderstood. Looking at in detail now, you do offer a dissenting opinion.

Link to Wall Street Journal reporting on wage gap tracking

I totally agree with posts one and two.

To the people who disagree with us, that's fine----but, that doesn't mean what we're saying is wrong, it just means, IMO, that our experiences have been different. When I lived in "White-Bread Baltimore", the chances that I would agree with those who fiercely defend black people were higher; however, since I now live in "Blackville Baltimore", I have a different opinion.

I run-into white people, all-the-time, who sympathize with black people who say things like Kanye West, when he said that President Bush didn't care about black people (Katrina), and I've seen them (white people) being a "friend" to black people, and then have seen black people laugh, and say things like "White people are so stupid" (when the white person is out of ear-shot, and they didn't realize----or, didn't CARE, most-likely----that *I* WAS in ear-shot), and I know that some black people----SOME black people----are playing white people like a fine Stradivarius, and have had more than one black person confirm that, straight-up!

I feel that with some white people----SOME white people----who sympathize with black people, that their only exposure to urban black people (suburban black people are, generally speaking, in my experience, not as hateful of white people) is what they see on TV, and they feel that black people have a RIGHT to express their anger at white people, cuz "Look what we did to THEM 150 years, ago"; and, I just don't have the vocabulary to express how UNbeLIEVably ridiculous that is, to ME!

I'm married to a black woman. I've been around black people constantly since about the age of 11. I work with mostly black people. I live in an area which is predominantly "minority" (i.e., black, Hispanic, East Indian, East Asian). I've seen black people who laugh at white people. I've seen black people at the other extreme.

They have a history of being oppressed. There is still de facto segregation in many areas. But I also believe black people should move forward, just like Jewish people have moved forward from the Holocaust.

We're talking about different "brands" of black people.....

Your wife doesn't count, because, IIRC, your wife is from Trinidad----and blacks from other countries, including "real" Africans from Africa, IME, have the same morals, values, manners, etc. as the majority of whites, in this country.

Also, the fact that you live in a "predominantly minority area" doesn't count, either, in my book, cuz even though Queens is within NYC limits, you'll never, in a million years, convince me that those blacks are comparable to the blacks in Harlem, for instance.

The black people that you refer to that laugh at whites, and the black people that you refer to, that need to move-on from "the slavery bit", are who I'm talking about. I, TOO, have experienced black people who are the extreme opposite----have had them as dear, DEAR friends----but, I'm not talking about them; I'm talking about black people who have a chip on their shoulder, and those that INSIST-on continuing to feel that the world OWES them, because "Look what your people did to MINE"!

There are white people who feel as *I* do (that we've seen the light, and that there are SOME black people who are playing white people, for anything and EVERYTHING they can continue to get out of 'em), and there are white people, who see the situation as "But..... Look what we did to their people", and "Awww, poor black people"----and never the twain shall meet (as is confirmed, IMO, by the respondents on this thread).

If somebody wants to go on a martyr trip with me (any ethnicity), I ain't friggin' signing up for it!

I've met people of all ilks who believe the world owes them a living. Once anybody gets involved in that ideology, it's over for them--unless they start hating the smell of that cave where they reside.

All in all, to be honest, I find most people to be at least okay.

In the city I live in I once saw a black guy yelling racist stuff at white passer-bys, and it was mostly other black people and minority people telling him to knock it off. So based on that its not entirely true that 'no one bats an eye' when people of minorities are being racist.

As for affirmative action, all in all it just helps ethnic minorities make it 'into' college it doesn't effect how well they are going to do or guarantee any kind of success...just attempts to allow them equal opportunity to get into the college debt trap. Perhaps at first it seems there is no reason they'd have a harder time being accepted to college than a white person with the same grades...but it could be argued they still suffer from opportunities their parents didn't have or that they grew up without. I don't know I have never been a huge fan of affirmative action, but I don't get all up in arms about it either because it doesn't really put them in a better position than white people or really give them much extra benefits....it makes it easier to have their application to a college accepted, but that is about it.

If 'it' in this sentence refers to this country and/or the constitution, you're correct.

Unfortunately that seems to be a problem in most autistic communities, not just Wrongplanet.

The field of psychology has a problematic history of racism and sexism. It's no secret that it's far easier for white males to get psy care than other groups. This means that white people (and especially white males) are unfairly overrepresented in the autistic community.

One can be a white male without being a bigot. In any case, if what you're saying about this behavior in other communities is true I'd be better off going it alone again.

So... they (they being, I assume, impoverished Black Americans) say racist things OUTSIDE of ear shot and not in front of the white person?

That directly contradicts what Op said. He said black people can say racist things and no one will care, but you proved him wrong. These racist black people know what they're saying is wrong and will upset someone, because they know someone will bat an eye. Black people don't get a free pass on racism.



There's context you're leaving out. How are they manipulating white people? Are they scamming them out money? Are they using their skin color to power over the white people in certain topics? Are they using programs targeted towards them? Can you explain these interactions you claim to have had?



You mean black people are different everywhere? It's almost as if you can't judge people based on their skin color, but their actions and character!



You need to go back and re-read your history too. Read about the Tulsa Race Riots, the Rosewood Massacre, and how the FBI, on the orders of President Hoover, tried to take down the Civil Rights Movement. Read about Jim Crow laws and their effects well into the 60's. Black Americans weren't just inconvenienced by them, they were targeted by a genocidal culture that regularly murdered Black Americans (including children) with no consequences. Black women had to give birth to children outside of hospitals, because they weren't allowed into the white ones and there were no black hospitals in their county. Many of them and their infants died because they weren't allowed access to healthcare. Other Black Americans had to receive healthcare from veterinarians, because once again, there were no black hospitals in their area and even then, a lot of them had to go through the back door.

Being forced to sit on the back of the bus is just the tip of the ice berg.

I highly recommend everyone look into American history of the last century. What we learned in school was downplayed and white washed.

I've studied all that pretty extensively.

One should also read William Faulkner. He has great insights into the psychology of blacks and whites in the South during the Jim Crow Era.