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What is your opinion of Hillary Clinton?
Very Favorable 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Favorable 14%  14%  [ 4 ]
Neutral/No Opinion/Don't Know 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
Unfavorable 29%  29%  [ 8 ]
Very Unfavorable 50%  50%  [ 14 ]
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30 Dec 2015, 9:56 am

Yes but not all of them are openly criminals, Hillary lies more than anyone and is not qualified to hold office. She should be impeached day 1, our country can't afford to be left at her mercy.

also she wanted to profile Muslims back in 2001, so she was for it before she was against it



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30 Dec 2015, 11:22 am

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She has shown that she is willing to change what she believes in for political expediency, she's the type of politician that takes 5 polls and has focus groups before ever opening her mouth up on any issue. We saw this with her reversal on TPP, the Keystone Pipeline XL, gay marriage, Iraq, whatever. She was one of the worst Secretary of States ever, she has no political accomplishments to her name, all she can do is ride the coattails of her rapist husband. I don't get it, I really don't.


Ex-Ally Donald Trump Now Heaps Scorn on Bill Clinton

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When scandal engulfed Mr. Clinton’s White House, Mr. Trump leapt to the president’s defense. “He’s probably got the toughest skin I’ve ever seen, and I think he’s a terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told CNN

Until last week, Mr. Trump had hardly uttered a negative word about Mr. Clinton. In 1999, he said the president had been treated unfairly for his relationship with Ms. Lewinsky. His criticism, according to an interview with The New York Times at the time, was the president’s choice of paramour: “It was Monica! I mean, terrible choice.”


All politicians do that. If people are unwilling to change their minds, no progress can be made. And circumstances do change too.



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30 Dec 2015, 11:48 am

I think all these politicians are great.



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30 Dec 2015, 12:10 pm

It doesn't really matter to me whether or not Trump supported Clinton in the 90s; a lot of people did as it was the last time America had any vestige of greatness but now we're broke, less safe, less free, less respected, and it's trending the complete other way than it should. Hillary has given no reason for anybody to vote for her on her own, she's trying to drag Bill into the picture now but it's a joke since the modern Democratic party repudiates his triangulation of GOP policies his administration is most remembered for and where most his accomplishments as president come from.

I can tell you that my family did not support Clinton, I was raised better than that and probably all my earliest political memories are of Clinton scandals. Impeaching him for his taking advantage of Monica Lewinsky was like getting Al Capone for tax evasion, he clearly lied under oath and to the faces of the American people. You can warp that into some culture war garbage but that doesn't change the fact that he is a liar and a predator and his wife a shamer of women. World is a lot different place than it was pre-1998, we don't take too kindly to rapists or rape enablers anymore.



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30 Dec 2015, 12:14 pm

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It doesn't really matter to me whether or not Trump supported Clinton in the 90s; a lot of people did as it was the last time America had any vestige of greatness but now we're broke, less safe, less free, less respected, and it's trending the complete other way than it should. Hillary has given no reason for anybody to vote for her on her own, she's trying to drag Bill into the picture now but it's a joke since the modern Democratic party repudiates his triangulation of GOP policies his administration is most remembered for and where most his accomplishments as president come from.

I can tell you that my family did not support Clinton, I was raised better than that and probably all my earliest political memories are of Clinton scandals. Impeaching him for his taking advantage of Monica Lewinsky was like getting Al Capone for tax evasion, he clearly lied under oath and to the faces of the American people. You can warp that into some culture war garbage but that doesn't change the fact that he is a liar and a predator and his wife a shamer of women. World is a lot different place than it was pre-1998, we don't take too kindly to rapists or rape enablers anymore.


Clinton was acquitted and not impeached. The whole trial was a farce. It's nobody's business if Monica Lewinsky gave him a blowjob. So what, who cares?



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30 Dec 2015, 12:36 pm

androbot01 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
It doesn't really matter to me whether or not Trump supported Clinton in the 90s; a lot of people did as it was the last time America had any vestige of greatness but now we're broke, less safe, less free, less respected, and it's trending the complete other way than it should. Hillary has given no reason for anybody to vote for her on her own, she's trying to drag Bill into the picture now but it's a joke since the modern Democratic party repudiates his triangulation of GOP policies his administration is most remembered for and where most his accomplishments as president come from.

I can tell you that my family did not support Clinton, I was raised better than that and probably all my earliest political memories are of Clinton scandals. Impeaching him for his taking advantage of Monica Lewinsky was like getting Al Capone for tax evasion, he clearly lied under oath and to the faces of the American people. You can warp that into some culture war garbage but that doesn't change the fact that he is a liar and a predator and his wife a shamer of women. World is a lot different place than it was pre-1998, we don't take too kindly to rapists or rape enablers anymore.


Clinton was acquitted and not impeached. The whole trial was a farce. It's nobody's business if Monica Lewinsky gave him a blowjob. So what, who cares?


He was impeached by the House, he was put on trial and acquitted by the Senate so he wasn't removed from office. Lying under oath is a crime called perjury, Bill Clinton in his arrogance and contempt for the American people shamelessly lied and got caught in it. Like I said, tax evasion. That's just the closest thing they could nail this crook for. The trial was a farce and so will any impeachment, it's all just down partisan lines. It's silly to act like Monica was Bill's only transgression but even on its own I think it is a enough to judge the character of both Bill and Hillary.



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30 Dec 2015, 12:37 pm

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30 Dec 2015, 12:52 pm

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It's silly to act like Monica was Bill's only transgression but even on its own I think it is a enough to judge the character of both Bill and Hillary.

Well, I wouldn't marry him ... or her. I don't know if I can say anymore plainly that I don't give a hoot about a politician's sexual life. Unless it's criminal, it's irrelevant to their ability to act professionally.

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30 Dec 2015, 2:34 pm

androbot01 wrote:
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It's silly to act like Monica was Bill's only transgression but even on its own I think it is a enough to judge the character of both Bill and Hillary.

Well, I wouldn't marry him ... or her. I don't know if I can say anymore plainly that I don't give a hoot about a politician's sexual life. Unless it's criminal, it's irrelevant to their ability to act professionally.

Nice pic.

Would you say the same If it was one of the republican candidates having been accused of rape?



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30 Dec 2015, 2:40 pm

I would feel the same way, regardless of party.

Scum is scum; decent is decent.



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30 Dec 2015, 2:52 pm

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androbot01 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
It's silly to act like Monica was Bill's only transgression but even on its own I think it is a enough to judge the character of both Bill and Hillary.

Well, I wouldn't marry him ... or her. I don't know if I can say anymore plainly that I don't give a hoot about a politician's sexual life. Unless it's criminal, it's irrelevant to their ability to act professionally.

Nice pic.

Would you say the same If it was one of the republican candidates having been accused of rape?

Yes, if the evidence were the same. And I would be surprised if there aren't any who behave as Clinton has.



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30 Dec 2015, 3:07 pm

The evidence might not dictate that Bill Cosby is guilty but do you doubt it? It's just the shear number accusers and a fundamental change in how we approach accusations of sexual assault that has made the difference, we've known about these accusations for a long time now. Do you now believe Cosby is guilty? It's all analogous with Bubba. It's fair game and something the Clinton's will never be able to escape from. Cowards like Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, and Chris Christie don't have the guts to get down in the dirt with the Clintons.



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30 Dec 2015, 3:09 pm

androbot01 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
It doesn't really matter to me whether or not Trump supported Clinton in the 90s; a lot of people did as it was the last time America had any vestige of greatness but now we're broke, less safe, less free, less respected, and it's trending the complete other way than it should. Hillary has given no reason for anybody to vote for her on her own, she's trying to drag Bill into the picture now but it's a joke since the modern Democratic party repudiates his triangulation of GOP policies his administration is most remembered for and where most his accomplishments as president come from.

I can tell you that my family did not support Clinton, I was raised better than that and probably all my earliest political memories are of Clinton scandals. Impeaching him for his taking advantage of Monica Lewinsky was like getting Al Capone for tax evasion, he clearly lied under oath and to the faces of the American people. You can warp that into some culture war garbage but that doesn't change the fact that he is a liar and a predator and his wife a shamer of women. World is a lot different place than it was pre-1998, we don't take too kindly to rapists or rape enablers anymore.


Clinton was acquitted and not impeached. The whole trial was a farce. It's nobody's business if Monica Lewinsky gave him a blowjob. So what, who cares?


And who cares what a Canadian has to say about U.S. politicians?



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30 Dec 2015, 3:12 pm

Jacoby wrote:
The evidence might not dictate that Bill Cosby is guilty but do you doubt it? It's just the shear number accusers and a fundamental change in how we approach accusations of sexual assault that has made the difference, we've known about these accusations for a long time now. Do you now believe Cosby is guilty? It's all analogous with Bubba. It's fair game and something the Clinton's will never be able to escape from. Cowards like Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, and Chris Christie don't have the guts to get down in the dirt with the Clintons.


I've always thought Cosby is guilty. Not because of the number of accusers, but because he admitted as much at the deposition. He said he bought and used drugs to incapacitate women so that he could fondle them. That's assault. No one's saying Bill Clinton drugged anyone.



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30 Dec 2015, 3:14 pm

Jacoby wrote:
The evidence might not dictate that Bill Cosby is guilty but do you doubt it? It's just the shear number accusers and a fundamental change in how we approach accusations of sexual assault that has made the difference, we've known about these accusations for a long time now. Do you now believe Cosby is guilty? It's all analogous with Bubba. It's fair game and something the Clinton's will never be able to escape from. Cowards like Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, and Chris Christie don't have the guts to get down in the dirt with the Clintons.


Off Topic but maybe the evidence does
Bill Cosby arraigned on sexual assault charge in Pennsylvania


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30 Dec 2015, 3:43 pm

androbot01 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
The evidence might not dictate that Bill Cosby is guilty but do you doubt it? It's just the shear number accusers and a fundamental change in how we approach accusations of sexual assault that has made the difference, we've known about these accusations for a long time now. Do you now believe Cosby is guilty? It's all analogous with Bubba. It's fair game and something the Clinton's will never be able to escape from. Cowards like Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, John Kasich, and Chris Christie don't have the guts to get down in the dirt with the Clintons.


I've always thought Cosby is guilty. Not because of the number of accusers, but because he admitted as much at the deposition. He said he bought and used drugs to incapacitate women so that he could fondle them. That's assault. No one's saying Bill Clinton drugged anyone.


No, he is accused of straight up violent rape. Two of his victims, Juanita Broaddrick and Elizabeth Ward Gracen both were severely bitten in the lip during the attack which seems to be Bill's MO. Bill Cosby's victims hid from public so long, many of these women were high profile women in the world of fashion and entertainment who feared his power but Bubba typically targeted a more marginalized subset of women and used the power of the state to cover up his crimes. How many victims of Bill haven't come forward yet? You don't think the most powerful man in the world couldn't give good reason for his victims not to come forward? I don't think rape is the worst thing they are guilty of either fwiw...