All You Americans Are Fired

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Aren't GPS automatic agro-robots (agricultural robots) the bigger threat to manual labor farm workers?

There was a day, not so long ago as such things go, when farmers would use scythes to cut their grain...you can often find examples of these old tool on sale in antique stores. But since the Industrial Revolution old methods have continually improved, thus reducing the need for manual labor.

Most of the 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants are not in the fields but in other better paying jobs.

We are so modern.

As a child, 1950, plowing with a mule was common. Thirty years before the horse drawn wagon was more common than the automobile.

A hundred years ago everything was horse drawn.

Two hundred years ago anything made of metal was fairly rare. Little survived because everything broken was recycled.

A cast iron cook pot, an axe, a musket, a plowshare, the part that cut the earth, and a hoe, were the wealth of a homestead.

Horses were cheap, mules cost more, and the upscale owned a team, horse, mule, oxen, a team could do much more work, plowing, hauling wagons. It was generally commercial, a plowman worked for many, a teamster hauled the goods of many.

All roads were dirt tracks. All lumber was sawn by hand.

Basically nothing had changed since the start of the Iron Age.

In Iron Age graves we find the same wagons, harness, and tools.

Cloth was hand woven, from homespun thread. That goes back 35,000 years.

Many did not own a horse. They tried to hire out their labor. It was not worth much.

If you wanted labor, children were available, they could be bought and owned for feeding them, but only till they were twenty-one.

Others could be had for seven years for paying their boat passage. You also had to feed, cloth, house them. Mostly they were lower class English, some better Irish, common Irish were sold as slaves. The other choice was hanging them, both got them out of Ireland.

In general indentured labor was a bad deal. There was little to hold them to the deal. They often ran off.

The common household appliance was an Irish girl of ten. They had been broken to the whip and learned to wash, mop, cook. Being Irish they were good with babies. Wherever they were sold, they became mothers at thirteen.

African farm equipment was more expensive and hard to handle. Fresh off the boat they were still wild and did not speak anything understandable. Broken and trained they were still wild, and nothing you would want around the homestead. Only the big commercial plantations that had men on horseback with guns could work them. They were expensive, hard to keep, and often killed each other.

Some of the girls could be treated like Irish girls, made into household appliances, if they were kept separate from the other Blacks.

The other source of labor was the homeless. Allowed to settle on some useless piece of land in exchange for labor. Some land would be plowed for them, they were given seed. In return their labor could be demanded for cultivation, and harvest. They lived on the far end of the fields, and were not allowed near the homestead. There were reasons they were homeless. They were Serfs. They were almost as much trouble as Blacks. They killed each other, were caught and killed stealing, or left a bloody trail of foot prints from the scene of the crime to their hut and were hung. They were a general source of crime, their social behavior was primitive. Only when they did not have rights, and faced punishments from the land owner could they be kept without the neighbors dying. No town would tolerate them. They were waiting for the hangman.

What we would call Genetics, was called, Bad Blood. Hardly anyone would mix with them, isolation leads to incest. Prostitution was their best chance of producing better stock, but most of their children were bound for jail, the hangman, then hell. The only thing that saved them was their high murder rate.

They were never good workers, it took force to get them to work.

Farming has never been easy. Paying people for labor does not lead to a common result.

It is still a social interaction. Saying everyone is equal and wages should be higher does not address the problem.

Through history most who worked, worked for themselves. Those who worked for others were Serfs, Slaves, or Indentured in Debt Service. They were fed, clothed, housed at the employers expense. Our Labor Law comes directly from the English Master/Servant Law. It is not a relationship between equals.

Work is measured in work done. A fifty-nine year old woman does not deserve the same pay as a twenty-five year old Mexican, just because she showed up.

The idea of a $15 minimum wage overlooks that EMTs, Firemen, Police, do not make that much, and have to maintain fitness, and Uniform Service. They must be educated and pass tests, both of knowledge and fitness.

Employment has never been a given, there is no right to a job. It is an exchange of service for pay.

Any employer who has to manage social problems will fire who ever. We are no longer allowed to use force to get work out of the genetically inferior. Only those who are self regulating are employable.

The last hundred years does not cancel out the past thousand years.

Executive pay is 1000x worker pay, yet workers need to be punished for their greed. Thats plain asinine.

Some additional food for thought.

Here is a list of reason why companies choose to offshore production to other countries. 44 percent of the companies in the survey are North American, btw.



Source: http://www.globalorn.org/wp-content/upl ... Report.pdf (page 12 and 13)

As demonstrated above, access to skilled labour/talent is a significant driver for off-shoring decisions by companies, almost at the same level as cost savings. Also note that the latest survey is from 2009, and skill shortages have become more pronounced in the US subsequently, as shown in my previous post.

This can also be illustrated by the fact that the total annual quota for H-1B visas was filled within approximately one week in 2013, 2014 and 2015.

http://www.uscis.gov/news/news-releases ... 6-h-1b-cap
http://www.uscis.gov/news/uscis-reaches ... h-1b-cap-0
http://www.uscis.gov/news/uscis-reaches ... 4-h-1b-cap

So what will likely happen if the US introduces immigration restrictions?

Well, obviously, this will likely (1) drive up the cost of labour and (2) restrict access to qualified personnel in the US (by reducing the labour supply for companies situated in the US), thus further exacerbating the key drivers of off-shoring decisions in the United States.

In other words:

- Introducing immigration restrictions will give US companies additional incentive to offshore even more jobs from the US to foreign countries.
- If people want to prevent companies and jobs from leaving the US, they have to make it easier - not harder - to bring in employees from abroad.

The United States isn't Soviet-Block Eastern Germany or North Korea. You may be able to keep people out (not a good track record so far, by the way). That doesn't mean that you can keep companies in.

Available American workers are the unemployed. The ones that someone else let go. The bottom of the workforce.

Guest Workers are better than the local jobs they can get, the top of the workforce.

The bottom of our workforce has social problems. The cost of supervising is very high.

I got a web site, got lots of coding offers from India, straight forward we will do and document the background coding for reasonable rates. From America I got offers claiming their secret wisdom would run my web site. Basically, they would control my business, and could charge what ever they wanted, anytime.

I had an offer to set up a book for Kindle, for only $300. I checked, that involved emailing a copy of the work in Word, and they would convert it to Kindle for free.

Americans have made me take another look at Nigerian Princes, perhaps we could do something. They are far more upstanding than American Lawyers.

It does take some deep digging to find out the young woman that has applied has also filed six sexual harassment suits. It paid much better than any job she ever had.

She also married and divorced four times in six years. According to Court Records, she does not need to work, much less as our receptionist.

This system is hostile to employers. In return, employers have to be very careful about hiring.

That is just for common labor, there is a long lists of employees calling up your competitors and offering to sell all your secrets. She was hired to type up Contract Bids.

In Retail, half of inventory shrinkage is shoplifting, the other half is employees.

Give a worker a desk and computer, they will update their Facebook Page.

We need a man on horseback with a gun in the office.

The ones on Parole are often the better workers, the rest are Serfs and Debt Bondage, but to someone else.

We can now get the best of other countries, we did not get the best of Europe when this place was settled.

It is a lie that there is a labor shortage skilled or otherwise, any government statistic is meaningless since these corporations are deliberately gaming the system to get their slave labor. Wages should rise, delivering unlimited cheap labor destroys the working class. I like the idea of replacing or at least shifting the burden of the income tax to tariffs and excise taxes, why should our people have to compete with slaves? The problem is that it is has subsidized our whole way of life for decades now while occurring inexplicably and simultaneously as wages sank and jobs disappeared, it's all an illusion masking the reality of our situation.

Why is it preferable to a poor person to import millions of people to undercut your wages and quality of life if these companies won't even hire Americans? They want exploited slave labor, it's not fair and we don't have to stand for it. I do not care about Warren Buffet and Mark Zuckerburg's bottom line is.