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07 Jan 2016, 10:59 am

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Trump's appeal consists of numerous factors. For example, his blunt disregard of PC and Social Justice attitudes is endearing him to moderates - both in America and abroad.

I don't disagree, but as someone who studies social science/psychology, I'm interested in the WHY under all that.

"PC and Social Justice attitudes" are all about making society more egalitarian and less authoritarian and stratfied.

So, you're kinda making my point for me.

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07 Jan 2016, 11:04 am

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Trump's appeal consists of numerous factors. For example, his blunt disregard of PC and Social Justice attitudes is endearing him to moderates - both in America and abroad.

Do you believe SJWs and the PC bros are really about egalitarianism? How are they less authoritarian? They want to control language, they destroy your life if you cross them, people have been forced to walk on eggshells after being relentlessly being called racists, homophobes, islamophobes, xenophobes, whatever for the last 8+ years at even a hint of dissent.

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07 Jan 2016, 11:04 am

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Donald Trump is resorting to the typical tactics of demagogues:

- Promising "simple and quick" fixes to complex social issues
- Avoiding criticism by being deliberately vague in his statements
- Using scapegoats to avoid dealing with the real problems of society

Many demagogues (from both Left and Right) before Trump have successfully appealed to especially less-educated voters with the above strategies.

As such, there is no need to invoke time pressure or substance abuse to explain Trump's voter appeal.

Untrue. You are pointing out HOW. I'm not interested in how. How is obvious and well established, as you say.

This thread is about WHY.

Why are the methods of the demagogue so effective?

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07 Jan 2016, 11:16 am

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adifferentname wrote:

Trump's appeal consists of numerous factors. For example, his blunt disregard of PC and Social Justice attitudes is endearing him to moderates - both in America and abroad.

Dude, read your own post. Despite your perceptions or how these things manifest, the purpose is to fight the oppressing of marginalized groups like Gays, Muslims, and migrants.

Do the math, less opression = more equality.

I suppose you could see political correctness and social justice as oppressing the oppressors, but that doesn't count.

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07 Jan 2016, 11:32 am

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adifferentname wrote:

Trump's appeal consists of numerous factors. For example, his blunt disregard of PC and Social Justice attitudes is endearing him to moderates - both in America and abroad.

I suppose that's why Trump will remain a mystery to you then, SJWs are a menace whose idiotic and offensive activism only turns more people against their causes. I think it's easy to see what precipitated Trumps rise, it's not because they're a bunch of stupid yeehaws hypnotized by the reality TV star. He's gone to war with the establishment which the country despises, he didn't back done and by weathering the full frontal assault by both the left and right wing media against his campaign. Americans don't like to be told who to vote for, the media has lost all credibility in this country and there narratives no long work with the rise of alternate new media, there is a reason why congress has an approval rating of like 12%. There is a revolt against political correctness in this country, a revolt against the GOP's political establishment, a revolt against the GOP's donor class. Political correctness are chains of oppression, people are tired of ivory towered college professors and brainwashed clueless millennials trying to govern our speech.

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07 Jan 2016, 12:04 pm

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people are tired of ivory towered college professors and brainwashed clueless millennials trying to govern our speech.

How has your speech been governed?

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07 Jan 2016, 12:14 pm

^^^ Again, I totally agree that this is how many Trump supporters FEEL and that this is what they percieve as the problem.
However, that doesn't negate my hypothesis at all.

You should read that NY Times article I linked to. There's no doubt that working class (formerly middle class) whites are experiencing acute distress and loss of status, but mexicans and "SJWs" ain't the cause.

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07 Jan 2016, 12:16 pm

GoonSquad wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

Trump's appeal consists of numerous factors. For example, his blunt disregard of PC and Social Justice attitudes is endearing him to moderates - both in America and abroad.

I don't disagree, but as someone who studies social science/psychology, I'm interested in the WHY under all that.

Why the appeal, or why the dislike of Social Justice?

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"PC and Social Justice attitudes" are all about making society more egalitarian and less authoritarian and stratfied.

Ah, I see the problem. You wish to fully understand the reasons people dislike Social Justice and PC attitudes, but you're quite satisfied with what Social Justice and PC proponents purport to be all about.

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So, you're kinda making my point for me.

You seem to have skipped a few steps between your hypothesis and your conclusion. Take a moment or three to show your working out.

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people are tired of ivory towered college professors and brainwashed clueless millennials trying to govern our speech.

How has your speech been governed?

I've underlined a rather important word in Jacoby's post.

There are countless examples of such people trying to govern speech, often by labelling certain words or ideas using the nebulous term "problematic".

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07 Jan 2016, 12:18 pm

I was going to say his appeal is based on evil ginger magic, but then the thread turned all facty and stuff.

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07 Jan 2016, 12:23 pm

Hopper wrote:

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people are tired of ivory towered college professors and brainwashed clueless millennials trying to govern our speech.

How has your speech been governed?

Nobody is doing that.

Look at Trump. His speech certainly isn't being governed. He's inspiring a lot of criticism and counter speech, but he isn't being muzzled.

The idea that SJWs and PC bros (somebody's taking South Park too seriously) are regulating speech is just unfounded hysterics.

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07 Jan 2016, 12:37 pm

adifferentname wrote:

GoonSquad wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

Trump's appeal consists of numerous factors. For example, his blunt disregard of PC and Social Justice attitudes is endearing him to moderates - both in America and abroad.

I don't disagree, but as someone who studies social science/psychology, I'm interested in the WHY under all that.

Why the appeal, or why the dislike of Social Justice?

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"PC and Social Justice attitudes" are all about making society more egalitarian and less authoritarian and stratfied.

I linked to the NPR and Times stories for a reason. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

AND I'm not actually endorsing PC/SJW positions either.

As I already stated, I'm just trying to figure out why trump is sccessful at a sociological/psychological level.

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07 Jan 2016, 12:40 pm

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BS. You're insinuating that Trump supporters are on alcohol, heroin and opiates. I've already reported this thread so it is up to the moderators if they want to let you keep going.

That's how this forum (PPR) is and has been, especially when a presidential election is coming. For all practical purposes it is impossible to have a forum for the express purpose of discussing delicate topics like politics, philosophy, and religion without having strawman attacks, ad hominem attacks, trolling, red herrings, threats dog whistles, etc.

Learn to take and give the back or just abstain from the forum. Reporting people over silliness doesn't do any good and threatening to do so is amusement at best.

As for Trump; the more threads the left posts about him and his supporters the more I hope by some miracle he does get elected just for what it will do to thier collective psyche.
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07 Jan 2016, 12:41 pm

GoonSquad wrote:

Hopper wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

people are tired of ivory towered college professors and brainwashed clueless millennials trying to govern our speech.

How has your speech been governed?

Call it hysterics all you want, I can see what is in front of my face. I see the full force of the corporate media mobilize against one person, the lies, the misinformation, they have repeatedly tried to influence this race. If you actually buy the entire "SJW" argument then maybe you think they are completely reasonable in the way they conduct themselves but most people outside that bubble don't feel that way. Nobody wants to govern my speech like no one wants to take away guns, it's all a lie because they can't openly say what they really want to do.

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07 Jan 2016, 1:05 pm

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Thanks, I will call it hysterics, glad you don't mind.

The problem on both sides is that people tend to get captured by the conflict and it's really not helpful.

SJWs and gun control people aren't evil and they don't want to oppress and deprive you of your rights.

JUST LIKE YOU, they mean well and are passionate about certain issues. It's easy to forget that in the heat of battle.

Right now I'm watching Obama cry as he talks about those little kids who got killed at Sandy Hook. I think those tears are real and I think he MEANS WELL. I think his gun control proposals are about saving little kids, not ruining your fun or taking away your rights...

Is that unreasonable? Is it all just an act? Doesn't he deserve the benefit of a doubt even if you disagree with him?

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07 Jan 2016, 1:10 pm

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The idea that SJWs and PC bros (somebody's taking South Park too seriously) are regulating speech is just unfounded hysterics.

No one has restricted jack s**t, the group you're talking about is used to people just accepting their poor behavior and not fighting back. Now that people are fighting back against prejudice they don't know how to respond so they play the victim card instead. Fact is there's no restriction on speech, you're welcome to say any racist, bigoted, sexist thing you want, but this isn't the '50's, people will argue back now and the people that argue back are currently the broad majority and have the power.

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07 Jan 2016, 1:29 pm

adifferentname wrote:

Hopper wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

people are tired of ivory towered college professors and brainwashed clueless millennials trying to govern our speech.

How has your speech been governed?

You mean people on the internet are not liking what other people say, and criticising it? 'Governing' seems to be over-egging the matter.

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Oh, I know. I was just curious if there was an actual instance affecting Jacoby.

Trump wants to ban Muslims, and yet people are concerned that they might not be able to say they think immigrants should be rounded up and deported without other people disagreeing with them.

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