Page 2 of 2 [ 28 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

Sweetleaf
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2011
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,278
Location: Somewhere in Colorado

20 Jan 2016, 11:59 am

Raptor wrote:
EliteGirl wrote:
The bad side is trolls and bullies on the "Internet", and the people who died due to online cyberbullying.

You mean they allowed someone to get to them when they could have simply ignored the posts of the troll/cyberbully. Instead they kept feeding the troll and letting the troll get to them. If you knowingly feed a troll, whatever happens as a result is 50% your fault.

That much aside, I cannot for the life of me imagine myself or anyone else being driven to suicide by in internet troll or bully. If anything I've found them to be anywhere from mildly annoying to flat out hilarious and I counter-troll them for my amusement. Hell, I'd miss them dearly.

Quote:
And I heard of one person who got killed on the "Craigslist" website.

Craigslist didn’t kill them someone using Craigslist as a tool did it by luring their prey into a trap. The victim should have been more cautious. If it weren’t for the sheep wolves would starve, so let’s not be sheep.

Quote:
And there are the hackers who try to hack your account to pose as you and ruin your social relationships with friends- not cool at all!

People screw themselves when they put links to their Facebook, Twitter, and Linkedin accounts on message boards. Also, no one needs to know your name, where you live, and where you work. To do any of the above is setting yourself up for a fall.

Call me a victim blamer but when the victim generously hands ammunition to their assailants then the accusation is accurate and I have no remorse over it. Also people hacking into your facebook or other social media profile isn't solely caused by people putting links on message boards.

As a short closure summary; the internet is only what you make it.


What makes you sound like a victim blamer is if you only criticize and mock the actions of the victims of these kinds of incidents, but have not criticism for the perpetrators of the harm against said victims.

Also people hacking into your facebook or other social media profile isn't solely caused by if you put links to it on message boards, in fact i have never even heard of it happening that specific way. Either way there are hackers that can hack in without you ever putting any profile information on another site, and then they can message people on your friends list potentially gaining access to their profiles to. Basically as for hacking its not nessisarily something the victim of it did wrong, in fact not that isn't even usually the case. Do you even know what hacking is?...someone could hack your WP profile right now regardless of any normal precautions you may have taken. Guess if that occurred it would be your fault for having a WP profile.


_________________
Tis the time to melt the Ice.


Sweetleaf
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2011
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,278
Location: Somewhere in Colorado

20 Jan 2016, 12:02 pm

Chummy wrote:
No privacy whatsoever. On the one hand, you can aquire knowledge and use the internet as a communication tool, not talking about entertainment. There's so much to the internet I think it will never be abandoned unless better solution found.

On the other hand, the internet is full of psychopaths, abusers in general, and yeah... no privacy. Google and facebook are "free" not because they're being thoughtful. nah-ah. Those mega organizations will sell you no problem to large corporations giving them all of your personal details, pictures and surfing habbits. sigh.


The only things that don't remain private are things you put on the internet, if someone wants to keep something private they can keep it off they internet.


_________________
Tis the time to melt the Ice.


Iamaparakeet
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 1 Mar 2015
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,221
Location: Irrelevant

20 Jan 2016, 6:52 pm

It's morally neutral, often slow, filled with so much junk and literary fluff that it makes it more annoying than useful sometimes. I lived without internet and cell phones for my childhood. Still had videogames and computers with games and encyclopedias, which seemed a bit more useful then. Being able to communicate with lots of people is cool, but annoying when the only person you want to speak with still isn't speaking with you and in that way it's just another way to be hurt by silence. It's nice to have access to the outside world if one is trapped by logistics and can't visit anywhere they want to go. It's mix. The internet is just a medium and the content is what's good or bad.


_________________
"In the kingdom of hope, there is no winter."


Raptor
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 8 Mar 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 12,997
Location: Southeast U.S.A.

20 Jan 2016, 8:14 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
Raptor wrote:
EliteGirl wrote:
The bad side is trolls and bullies on the "Internet", and the people who died due to online cyberbullying.

You mean they allowed someone to get to them when they could have simply ignored the posts of the troll/cyberbully. Instead they kept feeding the troll and letting the troll get to them. If you knowingly feed a troll, whatever happens as a result is 50% your fault.

That much aside, I cannot for the life of me imagine myself or anyone else being driven to suicide by in internet troll or bully. If anything I've found them to be anywhere from mildly annoying to flat out hilarious and I counter-troll them for my amusement. Hell, I'd miss them dearly.

Quote:
And I heard of one person who got killed on the "Craigslist" website.

Craigslist didn’t kill them someone using Craigslist as a tool did it by luring their prey into a trap. The victim should have been more cautious. If it weren’t for the sheep wolves would starve, so let’s not be sheep.

Quote:
And there are the hackers who try to hack your account to pose as you and ruin your social relationships with friends- not cool at all!

People screw themselves when they put links to their Facebook, Twitter, and Linkedin accounts on message boards. Also, no one needs to know your name, where you live, and where you work. To do any of the above is setting yourself up for a fall.

Call me a victim blamer but when the victim generously hands ammunition to their assailants then the accusation is accurate and I have no remorse over it. Also people hacking into your facebook or other social media profile isn't solely caused by people putting links on message boards.

As a short closure summary; the internet is only what you make it.


What makes you sound like a victim blamer is if you only criticize and mock the actions of the victims of these kinds of incidents, but have not criticism for the perpetrators of the harm against said victims.

Also people hacking into your facebook or other social media profile isn't solely caused by if you put links to it on message boards, in fact i have never even heard of it happening that specific way. Either way there are hackers that can hack in without you ever putting any profile information on another site, and then they can message people on your friends list potentially gaining access to their profiles to. Basically as for hacking its not nessisarily something the victim of it did wrong, in fact not that isn't even usually the case. Do you even know what hacking is?...someone could hack your WP profile right now regardless of any normal precautions you may have taken. Guess if that occurred it would be your fault for having a WP profile.


Yes, I know what hacking is.
My bad, I was thinking more about stalking when people give up too much information.
We're not going to go back and forth on this.
Well, I'm not...


_________________
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
- Thomas Jefferson


slave
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 28 Feb 2012
Age: 113
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,420
Location: Dystopia Planetia

20 Jan 2016, 8:52 pm

Fnord wrote:
A. Tools are neither 'Good' nor 'Bad'.
B. The Internet is a tool.
: : The Internet is neither good nor bad.


Agreed.
Tools are neutral or amoral if you will.
Even a baby blanket could be used to strangle someone.
Judge the person not the tool.



CockneyRebel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Jul 2004
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 121,235
Location: In my own little country

21 Jan 2016, 1:08 pm

My summary of the Internet

Facebook = bad

WP = good


_________________
The Family Schlager


Nebogipfel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 29 Sep 2014
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Posts: 509

Edenthiel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Sep 2014
Age: 58
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,820
Location: S.F Bay Area

22 Jan 2016, 5:56 pm

I became an adult long before the Internet existed for the average person. If I may offer a few observations?

- The Internet is much more than facebook or WrongPlanet. Much of the commerce now possible occurs because corporations have a cheap, secure (enough) means to transfer and synchronize data. Everything from online shopping that is paid with a few clicks to those purchases at the checkout where you slide a card in the little reader box. Paper checks are now an annoyance to banks as paper money is to consumer commerce.

- Before the late 1990's - early 2000's, when the Internet became familiar to many people, people on the spectrum were isolated. Like many other people with attributes that were at the end of the bell curve, our only source of information was our likely misinformed local authority figures. Doctors, teachers, pastors...people who really had no clue. We were often institutionalized because we were misunderstood. But then something amazing happened! Suddenly we were able to find each other, all over the world, and compare notes. As were parents, some of whom already had enough social privilege to enact change. And doctors, and educators. And we all realized together that autism is not a moral failing, it's not a matter of laziness or disobedience or psychopathology. It is the autistic spectrum , normal (if somewhat rare) attribute of humanity.

Please throw my vote in the "Internet = Good" bucket.


_________________
“For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.”
―Carl Sagan


Nebogipfel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 29 Sep 2014
Age: 55
Gender: Male
Posts: 509

22 Jan 2016, 6:59 pm

Edenthiel wrote:
Much of the commerce now possible occurs because corporations have a cheap, secure (enough) means to transfer and synchronize data. E


http://www.salon.com/2013/05/12/jaron_l ... dle_class/

Quote:
So Kodak has 140,000 really good middle-class employees, and Instagram has 13 employees, period. You have this intense concentration of the formal benefits, and that winner-take-all feeling is not just for the people who are on the computers but also from the people who are using them. So there’s this tiny token number of people who will get by from using YouTube or Kickstarter, and everybody else lives on hope. There’s not a middle-class hump. It’s an all-or-nothing society.



techstepgenr8tion
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Feb 2005
Age: 46
Gender: Male
Posts: 24,686
Location: 28th Path of Tzaddi

22 Jan 2016, 9:37 pm

I'll say this as well, I've been on a reading binge for a good 3 1/2 years and it's been fueled in part by my own inquiry but a lot of it as well has been other people's research, enough recommendations on different topics and then those books leading by reference to other authors, other books, so on, etc. etc.. Seems like no matter what you want to study, if you want to study it, you can indeed separate the wheat from the chaff if you're serious about going there. I think that's one of the ways people can really use it productively - ie. you aren't stuck reading the local paper or watching one of the big 5 or so news sources for your news, you're able to find out who the greatest minds in physics are and where to find their stuff, you can find the greatest artists and poets and narrow it right down to the people who seem like they're speaking, drawing or painting our life, you can find music that seems more you than you and taken farther than you could have ever imagined it (this AND all kinds of lectures by the physicists, biologists, etc. free of charge on Youtube), and if you're into discarded knowledge the whole pile is yours from antiquity to 1940 or 1950 either for free pdf download and if not it's usually $.99 or $1.99 on Amazon kindle.

Just on that account I think it almost takes a lack of perspective to be chronically bored. If you really consider what we have at our finger tips it's amazing and it's enough to keep you occupied well longer than one life could endure.


_________________
The loneliest part of life: it's not just that no one is on your cloud, few can even see your cloud.


cathylynn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Aug 2011
Gender: Female
Posts: 13,045
Location: northeast US

22 Jan 2016, 9:42 pm

i love the internet.



Edenthiel
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Sep 2014
Age: 58
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,820
Location: S.F Bay Area

23 Jan 2016, 12:03 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Let's start a mass movement to shut down the internet!

And the perfect recruiting tool to spread our movement is....the Internet!

I'll start an online petition!

All we need to do once we get enough signatures is get the Internet to read it, and we WIN!


_________________
“For small creatures such as we the vastness is bearable only through love.”
―Carl Sagan