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01 Feb 2016, 12:06 am

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In defining what democratic socialism means to him, Sanders said: "I don’t believe government should take over the grocery store down the street or own the means of production, but I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a decent standard of living and that their incomes should go up, not down. I do believe in private companies that thrive and invest and grow in America, companies that create jobs here, rather than companies that are shutting down in America and increasing their profits by exploiting low-wage labor abroad.”

Bernie Sanders is not Hugo Chavez, even less so Lenin, Stalin or Mao. Part of what is considered socialism today have proved a efficient system providing never before seen prosperity in the United-State during the 50s and the 60s with a tax rate of 90% for the wealthiest. The personal freedom was not so good, by it had nothing to do with economy. Supply-side economy however didn't proved to work well after, so far, about 35 years.

If Sanders uses words without knowing what they mean, that is all the more reason not to support him.

I have learned to trust people's confessions. If a coworker tells me, "I'm a thief! Ha ha, but my idea of a thief is someone who hunts for bargains," I won't be asking him to housesit.

A century ago it might have been excusable for someone to think that socialism sounded daring and idealistic. But after an endless parade of state-controlled economies, each resulting in misery, slavery, and death in exact proportion to the degree to which it was state-controlled, an adult who today actually calls himself a socialist has the same moral standing as one who calls himself a fascist.

If you or Sanders think the prosperity of the Fifties was somehow caused by high taxes, you are confused. The 90% was a marginal rate, meaning it applied only to income over $1.39 million. Something like a half of one percent of taxpayers were earning on that level – before deductions. The 95th percentile made about $62,000, and they paid only a 30% marginal rate.

In 1950 taxes were roughly comparable to today's, and the regulatory burden was almost nonexistent. An entrepreneur could start a new business without first satisfying the arbitrary whims of a million bureaucrats. If the federal government were trimmed back to that level, it would indeed jumpstart the economy, and real earnings would increase, as they did then. But I'm pretty sure Bernie Sanders doesn't want to do anything of the kind, and neither does any other Democratic politician today.

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01 Feb 2016, 2:36 am

My fear is that Hillary will have that emails issue actually result in an indictment after she has wrapped up the nomination, leaving us with teh Donald by default.

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01 Feb 2016, 10:50 pm

I have a hard time understanding how any aspie could support a political party that is all about privilege and disparagement/disenfranchisement of people like us. :scratch: :bounce: BERNIE ALL THE WAY

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01 Feb 2016, 10:56 pm

bernie all the way! that 90% tax rate is a lie. you have to make over $250k for year for your taxes to go up under bernie. and his top rate is 52%.

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01 Feb 2016, 10:59 pm

hillary is the only moderate republican in the race. the other republicans are all far right wingers. bernie is a democratic socialist (socialist means programs such as social security and fire departments) like FDR was a democratic socialist.

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01 Feb 2016, 11:01 pm

unfortunately I see history rhyming with itself, in the manner of Adlai Stevenson all over again- a reporter told Adlai, "you have the votes of all thinking people." - to which Adlai replied, "but I need a majority to win."
btw I can't believe that awful cruz won iowa by such a large margin :wall:

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01 Feb 2016, 11:01 pm

If I was American, I would vote for Rand Paul.

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01 Feb 2016, 11:02 pm

Deltaville wrote:

If I was American, I would vote for Rand Paul.

did you support the last PM?

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01 Feb 2016, 11:04 pm

auntblabby wrote:

I have a hard time understanding how any aspie could support a political party that is all about privilege and disparagement/disenfranchisement of people like us. :scratch:

BERNIE ALL THE WAY :bounce:

I don't get how aspies support a party who labels us as violent crazy people, wants to take our rights and lock us away.

Being labele violent an mentally defective and to blame do all gun violence is pretty disfranchising to me.

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01 Feb 2016, 11:05 pm

auntblabby wrote:

Deltaville wrote:

If I was American, I would vote for Rand Paul.

did you support the last PM?

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01 Feb 2016, 11:09 pm

Deltaville wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Deltaville wrote:

If I was American, I would vote for Rand Paul.

did you support the last PM?

Stephen Harper

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01 Feb 2016, 11:09 pm

auntblabby wrote:

Deltaville wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Deltaville wrote:

If I was American, I would vote for Rand Paul.

did you support the last PM?

Stephen Harper

I voted for the Conservatives this election, so yes.

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01 Feb 2016, 11:17 pm

Deltaville wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Deltaville wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Deltaville wrote:

If I was American, I would vote for Rand Paul.

did you support the last PM?

Stephen Harper

I voted for the Conservatives this election, so yes.

if you don't mind, can you tell me how you like being right-wing in a nation that is for the most part not quite right-wing? would you prefer living down here?

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01 Feb 2016, 11:21 pm

auntblabby wrote:

Deltaville wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Deltaville wrote:

auntblabby wrote:

Deltaville wrote:

If I was American, I would vote for Rand Paul.

did you support the last PM?

Stephen Harper

I voted for the Conservatives this election, so yes.

if you don't mind, can you tell me how you like being right-wing in a nation that is for the most part not quite right-wing? would you prefer living down here?

Well I am not completely right wing, I have a lot of leftist leanings.

Although some right wing positions I support wholeheartedly, like capital punishment for serious crimes.

Being against the death penalty has become so trendy nowadays.

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01 Feb 2016, 11:27 pm

^^^I would trade places with you in a heartbeat.

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01 Feb 2016, 11:39 pm

auntblabby wrote:

^^^I would trade places with you in a heartbeat.

And why is that? Who would you vote for if you were a Canadian citizen if you don't mind me asking?

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