Why is it bipolar can join military but aspies can't?

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03 Feb 2016, 9:05 pm

I very much doubt the military would take people diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

I thought about the military too for a while as a means of escaping my situation and achieving "the glory" that forefathers had won on battlefield, I've had a diagnosis since I was like 15 so that was never in the cards and to be honest when I thought about joining in hindsight I know there would of been no way I could of handled it at the time. I think I could maybe do it now, I've matured a lot over the years but still it's an impossibility. It's too bad you had to go to a recruiter to be told this.



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03 Feb 2016, 9:07 pm

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If he has a diagnosis from a psychiatrist he cannot join.
It wouldn't matter who he knew in the service.
http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r40_501.pdf
Just to clarify things,I have bipolar disorder and I don't behave like that person,most of us don't.
It's a mood disorder,not everyone is violent that has it.

I'm not saying people are or that he'd snap and hurt people. But the possibility exists. I thought the military didn't take anyone with a disorder that could possible make them a risk.

This one guy with bipolar disappeared one day,left his house, cars wallet, everything. One day he was ok next he wasn't.

Some aspies will crack and have a meltdown. This is their logic to denying us. I don't think I would, and aspies who served until they were found out didn't either.



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03 Feb 2016, 9:09 pm

Jacoby wrote:
I very much doubt the military would take people diagnosed with bipolar disorder.

I thought about the military too for a while as a means of escaping my situation and achieving "the glory" that forefathers had won on battlefield, I've had a diagnosis since I was like 15 so that was never in the cards and to be honest when I thought about joining in hindsight I know there would of been no way I could of handled it at the time. I think I could maybe do it now, I've matured a lot over the years but still it's an impossibility. It's too bad you had to go to a recruiter to be told this.



He says they said it's ok as long as he doesn't need medicine for it. They originally said he was a aspie but changed it to bipolar.

Yes I was humiliated :(



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03 Feb 2016, 9:16 pm

I guess he could of gotten a waiver because he thinks the diagnosis was in error and they agreed or was never officially diagnosed bipolar or maybe he's delusional and just completely making it all up? Who knows, my brother is bipolar and he'll completely imagine ridiculous things to the point that I take everything he says with a grain of salt.There is no way they'd take some kid who was diagnosed bipolar and was hospitalized, I don't know how somebody bipolar doesn't need medication according to medical professionals. Maybe the bipolar person thinks that, I don't think any doctor does.



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03 Feb 2016, 9:17 pm

"He says they said..." :roll:

Is he actually IN the military or not?


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03 Feb 2016, 9:19 pm

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Ruined my whole day now. I feel so down.
If you even mention aspergers to s recruiter they immediately stop talking to you and ask you to leave. So I guess the military only hates aspies and no other disorders :(


Did you REALLY want to join?


Yes. Id been working with them to lose weight and had gotten to to where I could but wp then they saw my medical records and the head recruiter was like nope and walked a away. Super embarrassing and sad day for me.

Think about it.
If your asperger's made it necessary for you to be on SSDI what would you be able to do in the military? You can't coast through the military, especially the basic training phase. They'll smoke you.
Been there.
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03 Feb 2016, 9:40 pm

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sly279 wrote:
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Ruined my whole day now. I feel so down.
If you even mention aspergers to s recruiter they immediately stop talking to you and ask you to leave. So I guess the military only hates aspies and no other disorders :(


Did you REALLY want to join?


Yes. Id been working with them to lose weight and had gotten to to where I could but wp then they saw my medical records and the head recruiter was like nope and walked a away. Super embarrassing and sad day for me.

Think about it.
If your asperger's made it necessary for you to be on SSDI what would you be able to do in the military? You can't coast through the military, especially the basic training phase. They'll smoke you.
Been there.
Just sayin...


March, shoot a rifle at insurgents, clean my boots, keep stuff in order. Last I checked you don't gather around and chat socially about stuff. There's no interview to get in. I'm not required to know a guy who knows a guy who's cousin is the manager.



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03 Feb 2016, 10:13 pm

sly279 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Ruined my whole day now. I feel so down.
If you even mention aspergers to s recruiter they immediately stop talking to you and ask you to leave. So I guess the military only hates aspies and no other disorders :(


Did you REALLY want to join?


Yes. Id been working with them to lose weight and had gotten to to where I could but wp then they saw my medical records and the head recruiter was like nope and walked a away. Super embarrassing and sad day for me.

Think about it.
If your asperger's made it necessary for you to be on SSDI what would you be able to do in the military? You can't coast through the military, especially the basic training phase. They'll smoke you.
Been there.
Just sayin...


March, shoot a rifle at insurgents, clean my boots, keep stuff in order. Last I checked you don't gather around and chat socially about stuff. There's no interview to get in. I'm not required to know a guy who knows a guy who's cousin is the manager.


I think you know there's more to it than that. You either haven't researched military life or you were never serious about it in the first place. I'm guessing the latter.


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04 Feb 2016, 12:37 am

Raptor wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Ruined my whole day now. I feel so down.
If you even mention aspergers to s recruiter they immediately stop talking to you and ask you to leave. So I guess the military only hates aspies and no other disorders :(


Did you REALLY want to join?


Yes. Id been working with them to lose weight and had gotten to to where I could but wp then they saw my medical records and the head recruiter was like nope and walked a away. Super embarrassing and sad day for me.

Think about it.
If your asperger's made it necessary for you to be on SSDI what would you be able to do in the military? You can't coast through the military, especially the basic training phase. They'll smoke you.
Been there.
Just sayin...


March, shoot a rifle at insurgents, clean my boots, keep stuff in order. Last I checked you don't gather around and chat socially about stuff. There's no interview to get in. I'm not required to know a guy who knows a guy who's cousin is the manager.


I think you know there's more to it than that. You either haven't researched military life or you were never serious about it in the first place. I'm guessing the latter.

Most my family, all my friends were or are military.



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04 Feb 2016, 12:47 am

I don't think its fair either, even if it isn't what you expect it to be, I think its good to get out there and experience something bigger than yourself. The notion that the military is too good for spies is some elitist bs. Its pretty much an open secret that enlistment is a program for america's wayward souls, kind of like prison but with better resume padding.

The peace-corps doesn't give you the free college, but it still gets you out of the house. If you're feeling ballsy, you can try the french foreign legion, but you'd have to pay to travel there and there isn't a guarantee you'd get accepted.

I think the others are right about your friend though, he probably didn't get accepted like he claims.


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04 Feb 2016, 2:58 am

Raptor wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Raptor wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Ruined my whole day now. I feel so down.
If you even mention aspergers to s recruiter they immediately stop talking to you and ask you to leave. So I guess the military only hates aspies and no other disorders :(


Did you REALLY want to join?


Yes. Id been working with them to lose weight and had gotten to to where I could but wp then they saw my medical records and the head recruiter was like nope and walked a away. Super embarrassing and sad day for me.

Think about it.
If your asperger's made it necessary for you to be on SSDI what would you be able to do in the military? You can't coast through the military, especially the basic training phase. They'll smoke you.
Been there.
Just sayin...



If he has an able body and a sound mind(able to distinguish fantasy from reality and exert self-control) there's plenty for him to do in the military. And it will provide the structure and discipline that he needs to really get his sh*t together.

US military might is made possible by BIG GUBBERMINT. I know that's off-topic but I'd just like to point that out.



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04 Feb 2016, 9:28 am

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My friend was bi-polar and had aspergers, and he joined the army.

Then he hid it very well,lied or he didn't have a diagnosis on paper.

True.



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04 Feb 2016, 10:38 am

Since I did not know that I had AS when I joined, there was no deception on my part, no medical history to be discovered, and no behavioral problems to betray me.

Lack of eye contact? When at attention, you stare straight ahead, and you never make eye contact with the D.I., unless you want to do a hundred push-ups.

Lack of coordination? Marching doesn't require any real grace; just walk with your back straight, eyes forward, and in step with everyone else.

Poor verbal communication? Repeat after me: "Yes, sir!", "No, sir!", "One! Two! Three! Four!". The D.I. has no interest in much else.

Aversion to bright light, loud noise, rough textures, and bad smells? Well ... you just have to get used to all of that.

Otherwise, just wear the uniform you're supposed to wear, be where you're supposed to be and when you're supposed to be there, do what you're supposed to be doing, and salute anyone who outranks you.


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04 Feb 2016, 6:05 pm

But we have Aspie members here on WP who have served in the military.


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04 Feb 2016, 6:23 pm

i read an article in the past few weeks (sorry, don't remember which online source) that said the military is considering lifting the ban from service on mental illness. good news, as the ban was based on unfounded stigma.



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04 Feb 2016, 6:48 pm

^ I'm glad the military is coming to their senses on this, for all of the unapologetic focus on perfection, they wind up with a lot of smokers and alcoholics who've learned to coast their way into retirement. I've seen so many opinionated, out of shape people in uniform complain every time their little club gets a little bigger. Nowhere else have I heard people so eager to explain why other's aren't good enough to do what they do.


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