How to be proud of being White without being Racist.
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Rollo wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
Ok heres how it goes most of the media instantly assumes if your white and proud its instantly racist because its misconstrued with White Supremacy, but lets get real white and or Caucasian culture is diverse as hell and to instantly consider it racist is not only ignorant but making sweeping generalizations and supports white guilt and making many white folks lose their culteral identity. There are Celts there are Francs swedes etc Russians, you have to be specific man. My blood line is Celtic and I am proud of that my bloodline never suppoerted slavery and such and I am proud to have a cool blood line that was a kick ass warrior tribal people that gave the Romans trouble, now for the germanics and such many were Vikings and sometimes they enslaved but most part was other white folks including my ancestors with the Norman invasion of Dublin but we held our ground and a complete conquest of Ireland never happened and the vikings eventually got bred out and became Irish themselves. There were some bad things but many god things and despite some of the bad things people change over time and times change, just dont feel superior over others and respect others just identify who you are before all is lost.
The whole point of buzzwords like racist and white supremacist is to attack white identity, in other words to attack white people. You are trying to answer a dishonest racial attack with 'logic' and coming up with something rather confused. Instead of trying to prove you are not this or that buzzword, the thing to do is to tell your attacker something along the lines of "I don't care what you say I am, because I say you're a piece of s***".
Pretty sure white supremacist is a term to describe people who believe in white supremacy and racist is a term to describe a person who thinks their race is superior to another one or others...going around accusing people of either just for being white would be problematic though. But there are actual white supremacists and racists, so not sure how those words themselves would be an attack on white identity. Though I'd be curious to know what that even means since not all white people share the same culture and in fact have had different ones.
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Rollo wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?
Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc
Or is it only white people who can't have pride?
Where was such a thing about excluding non-whites from having pride in their backgrounds ever said in this thread?
Kraichgauer, it seems to me you are either not understanding what is being said here or you're not expressing yourself clearly, or you've made a typo - or some combination of all three. But fair enough - this is an A.S. forum after all.
The idea that people (white or non-white) should not have pride in their backgrounds is quite plainly implict in GGPViper's post. sly279 is asking GGPViper if he really thinks that or if it is just pride for white people he is against.
Do you understand? sly279 is not accusing GGPViper of being against non-white identity, he is wondering if GGPViper is really just against white identity. Since GGPViper has chosen to make his post in a thread about white identity, it is a fair question.
And if you did understand all along, I think you could try rephrasing your post so that it makes some kind of sense.
Sounds like a lot of suspicion had to go into that, why is sly assuming GGPViper is only applying the idea there is no use being proud of something that's not an accomplishment only to white pride? It certainly seems he is suggesting racial pride in general is pointless...and sly is suspicious of hypocrisy based on nothing visible in GGPVipers post. His point being 'this here poster wouldn't say the same if presented with the concepts of black pride, Asian pride or any other pride having to do with things that aren't accomplishments'. The question is where on earth did sly gather this...if we wanna get all analytical.
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AJisHere wrote:
You know, I disagree with just about every post from you I've ever read... but not this one. I pretty much agree, here. If you're going to be proud of your heritage, tie it to an actual cultural entity and not the color of your skin.
Also, don't talk down about other groups. That should be obvious.
Also, don't talk down about other groups. That should be obvious.
1. What makes you an authority on what people should be proud of?
2. Race is not just skin colour, no matter how many times this nonsense claim is made on the internet.
3. White is a name for a certain racial-cultural entity of which various ethno-cultural entities are a part
4. Regarding talking down about other groups - if they insist on living among whites, why should I pretend I like it?
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Rollo wrote:
AJisHere wrote:
You know, I disagree with just about every post from you I've ever read... but not this one. I pretty much agree, here. If you're going to be proud of your heritage, tie it to an actual cultural entity and not the color of your skin.
Also, don't talk down about other groups. That should be obvious.
Also, don't talk down about other groups. That should be obvious.
1. What makes you an authority on what people should be proud of?
2. Race is not just skin colour, no matter how many times this nonsense claim is made on the internet.
3. White is a name for a certain racial-cultural entity of which various ethno-cultural entities are a part
4. Regarding talking down about other groups - if they insist on living among whites, why should I pretend I like it?
1.Why should people have a problem with non-whites living among whites, or whites living among non-whites?
2. Why shouldn't you go move into a cave in the wilderness away from everyone if you don't like it?
3. Even if its not just skin color...its still not an accomplishment now is it.
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Sweetleaf wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?
Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc
Or is it only white people who can't have pride?
Where was such a thing about excluding non-whites from having pride in their backgrounds ever said in this thread?
It wasn't, I think someone was reading into things a little too deeply.
Obviously.
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Rollo wrote:
4. Regarding talking down about other groups - if they insist on living among whites, why should I pretend I like it?

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Rollo wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?
Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc
Or is it only white people who can't have pride?
Where was such a thing about excluding non-whites from having pride in their backgrounds ever said in this thread?
Kraichgauer, it seems to me you are either not understanding what is being said here or you're not expressing yourself clearly, or you've made a typo - or some combination of all three. But fair enough - this is an A.S. forum after all.
The idea that people (white or non-white) should not have pride in their backgrounds is quite plainly implict in GGPViper's post. sly279 is asking GGPViper if he really thinks that or if it is just pride for white people he is against.
Do you understand? sly279 is not accusing GGPViper of being against non-white identity, he is wondering if GGPViper is really just against white identity. Since GGPViper has chosen to make his post in a thread about white identity, it is a fair question.
And if you did understand all along, I think you could try rephrasing your post so that it makes some kind of sense.
What Sweetleaf said.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?
Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc
Or is it only white people who can't have pride?
Where was such a thing about excluding non-whites from having pride in their backgrounds ever said in this thread?
I think I may just start ignoring you.
I never see any of you post in black pride, gay pride, etc threads about how it's wrong to be proud of your race, it's only ever when it's about white pride. Either all and any race pride is wrong or al, or any race pride is right.
You can't say it's ok if race b has pride but not for race a to have pride.
Pride doesn't equal racism or bigotry it's just being proud of your heritage. So f*****g tired of this racism towards white people and political correct bigotry.
She said "Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?" I asked if she'd apply this towards other races or groups.
I fail to see how you are even involved in a question asked to her not you.
This is much the same to how Germans aren't allowed to have national pride. Bulshit. They should be able to be proud to be Germans, they aren't responsible for what Germans 3 generations ago did.
So either ban all pride or let people be proud of who they are regardless of race or group identity.
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sly279 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?
Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc
Or is it only white people who can't have pride?
The history and concept of 'pride' can be complicated, but at base it's a stand against being told you should be ashamed of what you are, that you are lesser, that you should know your place.
There is simply no equivalent history of a campaign against white people qua white people as there is black people or gay people. Lip service paid to historical atrocities (and, to a lesser extent, ongoing issues) aside, the social assumption is that of course you're proud of being white.
For that reason, I see no need to be proud of being white, though one need not feel ashamed of it either. Better to do things and be of a character that inspires pride, rather than seek it in an ethnicity.
Wtf, white people are told all the time to be ashamed of being white
You killed millions, you enslaved blacks. You conquered the world, you're responsible for the holocaust. Wtf I was only born in 1988 I didn't do any of those things, I refuse to feel ashamed for actions I or my family never did. I refuse to feel ashamed because I was born white.
sly279 wrote:
Hopper wrote:
sly279 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?
Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc
Or is it only white people who can't have pride?
The history and concept of 'pride' can be complicated, but at base it's a stand against being told you should be ashamed of what you are, that you are lesser, that you should know your place.
There is simply no equivalent history of a campaign against white people qua white people as there is black people or gay people. Lip service paid to historical atrocities (and, to a lesser extent, ongoing issues) aside, the social assumption is that of course you're proud of being white.
For that reason, I see no need to be proud of being white, though one need not feel ashamed of it either. Better to do things and be of a character that inspires pride, rather than seek it in an ethnicity.
Wtf, white people are told all the time to be ashamed of being white
You killed millions, you enslaved blacks. You conquered the world, you're responsible for the holocaust. Wtf I was only born in 1988 I didn't do any of those things, I refuse to feel ashamed for actions I or my family never did. I refuse to feel ashamed because I was born white.
I am white and no one has ever told me I should be ashamed of that. Where are all these people telling white people to be ashamed? I have never encountered one.
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Rollo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
The whole point of buzzwords like racist and white supremacist is to attack white identity, in other words to attack white people. You are trying to answer a dishonest racial attack with 'logic' and coming up with something rather confused. Instead of trying to prove you are not this or that buzzword, the thing to do is to tell your attacker something along the lines of "I don't care what you say I am, because I say you're a piece of s***".
Pretty sure white supremacist is a term to describe people who believe in white supremacy and racist is a term to describe a person who thinks their race is superior to another one or others...going around accusing people of either just for being white would be problematic though. But there are actual white supremacists and racists, so not sure how those words themselves would be an attack on white identity. Though I'd be curious to know what that even means since not all white people share the same culture and in fact have had different ones.
The fact that you reject white identity and claim not to even understand what it means is just evidence that the buzzword racist has had its intended affect on you, even if its never been hurled at you personally in your life. You virtually make my point for me. And "white supemacists are people who believe in white supremacy" is just a tautology. You might as well say "flibbertigibbets are flibbertigibbets". George Orwell was right - control the language and you control the thoughts of the masses.
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Kraichgauer wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Why be proud of something that isn't an accomplishment?
Would you apply this toward black pride,gay pride, Asian pride, Mexican pride Etc
Or is it only white people who can't have pride?
Where was such a thing about excluding non-whites from having pride in their backgrounds ever said in this thread?
It wasn't, I think someone was reading into things a little too deeply.
Obviously.
Why do you hate white people so much. Leftish guilt over slavely from hundred years ago?
I feel no guilt for actions taken hundred years ago more for any action taken five minutes ago as I didn't do it. I only feel guilty for bad stuf I do. Not for stuff others do.
White pride white pride
The fact black pride is ok, whit pride isn't, the fact that threads have to be started asking why it's not ok to have white pride, so there is something wrong . That people feel wronged and attacked, you can ignore it all you want and support your party blindly I won't.
Either all pride is ok or no pride is ok. You want equality and fairness that's equality and fairness. Saying one race can feel pride but another cant isn't equal or fair.
sly279 wrote:
beneficii wrote:
Why would being white be something that you are proud of?
Why is being black something to be proud of?
I think some would say that it's because said person succeeded in life, overcoming the disadvantages in this country of being black. That would be something to be proud of.
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Rollo wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Rollo wrote:
The whole point of buzzwords like racist and white supremacist is to attack white identity, in other words to attack white people. You are trying to answer a dishonest racial attack with 'logic' and coming up with something rather confused. Instead of trying to prove you are not this or that buzzword, the thing to do is to tell your attacker something along the lines of "I don't care what you say I am, because I say you're a piece of s***".
Pretty sure white supremacist is a term to describe people who believe in white supremacy and racist is a term to describe a person who thinks their race is superior to another one or others...going around accusing people of either just for being white would be problematic though. But there are actual white supremacists and racists, so not sure how those words themselves would be an attack on white identity. Though I'd be curious to know what that even means since not all white people share the same culture and in fact have had different ones.
The fact that you reject white identity and claim not to even understand what it means is just evidence that the buzzword racist has had its intended affect on you, even if its never been hurled at you personally in your life. You virtually make my point for me. And "white supemacists are people who believe in white supremacy" is just a tautology. You might as well say "flibbertigibbets are flibbertigibbets". George Orwell was right - control the language and you control the thoughts of the masses.
Why hate on the term "racist" though if it actually accurately describes your behaviour and thoughts? If you actually think negative things about other people based on what race they belong to and stereotypes and misinformation about people of that race, and you have biases against people of other races then you are a racist by definition. How is this "controlling language" if it accurately describes reality?
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