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There are simple organism that are not capable of perceiving pain.

There are nerves dedicated to pain, and heat and touch. However that perception of the sensation happens in the brain.

Amputees perceive pain in their amputated leg.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2959190/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=Pain+Percieption

No you are wrong. You are confusing the experience of pain with the measurement of pain. One is reality and the other is perception. Pain is real and has nothing to do with perception.

How do you measure pain?

The current system used in hospitals is a relative scale, based on historic perception.

You can measure brain activity, however that has to be interpreted.

You can measure pressure, heat, etc. How do you measure pain in the same way?

Pain is perceived.

You are making an error in reasoning. That we can't measure something does not mean that there is no objective reality. Pain is not perceived it is experienced. It is real, not interpreted. You are getting caught up in scientific observation and assuming that because something cannot be measured accurately that there is not true reality.

You could map which nerves are being triggered, that isn't the same as measuring pain.

You can assume that the greater the cluster of sensors triggered should be more painful, but it not necessarily that simple to be able to measure pain. Some things are generally more painful than others.

The correct word for pain is perception, becuase it happen in the brain requires a level of consciousness.

In medicine the correct term is perception. Perception is experience.

What do you mean "interpreted"? Of course the brain is interpreting the signal as pain. You are not doing it on a conscious level. I might not be directly related to 'self'.

Pain is not like temperature. Heat is something that exist outside of out experience of it. However we must perceive it to feel it.

Pain is triggered by interface with the sensor. So we have separate pressure/touch sensors, the is a threshold to trigger various sensors.

Pain is basically there to tell us or prevent tissue damage, it is a safety mechanism. Tissue damage is not just perceived, however tissue dame is tissue damage, not pain.

Another error in reasoning. If someone doesn't experience the pain because they are unconscious, then that is not their reality. But what you are suggesting is that because consciousness is required to experience pain that pain can be controlled consciously. It doesn't follow.

Pain is painful.

When I have a toothache, I feel so much pain that I can't sleep.

At that point, I don't care about subjective-objective or whatever, or about any abstract theory.

All I care about is obtaining RELIEF.

Yes, it's a subjective experience.

I wonder what the theoreticians would say when they start experiencing toothache pain? I don't think they'll be expounding on some theory--trust me!

Again it is misconception that if you perceive pain you can readily control it. No need to take that personally.

There are drugs the work on both end of the sensory perception of pain.

No I'm not.

There are times when I am able to control the degree of my pain--especially if it's headache pain. I am able to obtain relief by going into a dark room and lying down.

I'm not taking anything personally. I'm just speaking of my own experience.

...yet there are people with chronic hidden pain such as Fibromyalgia. I know a few that fit that category.

Can you do what one friend (NT)decide to get things done. (Unless it's one of those days the person pain shuts them down completely.

Signature of the moment. Yes I'm one if those males that whine when sick or in pain.

[quote="drlaugh"]...yet there are people with chronic hidden pain such as Fibromyalgia. I know a few that fit that category.

Can you do what one friend (NT)decides--this person is a caregiver of older family member and decides to get things done. (Unless it's one of those days the person pain shuts them down completely.

Signature of the moment. Yes I'm one if those males that whine when sick or in pain.

Some people have been able to control how the brain prioritises pain, without drugs. This is not an instant thing, and is limited but possible. I wasn't actual the point I was making.

It is very simple pain is classified as a perception, just like vision is a perception. Colour is our brain interpreting photons/light waves.

The original point was to say you shouldn't have to feel responsible for your depression, becuase what does that responsibility mean? Yes if you have done something really bad, an dare depressed becuase of it, you hold responsibility for it.

That is to do with how you think of yourself in relation to that incident.

Like I said i didn't say that. I said