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10 Mar 2016, 7:23 am

Part of the issue is the concept that there's a certain "proper" way to view sex. I'm not sure there is outside of a religious context. There's nothing wrong with objectification if both parties enjoy that sort of thing. Just like there's nothing wrong with turning the lights off, going under the covers and finishing the act in 2 minutes. Whatever floats your boat.

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10 Mar 2016, 7:29 am

Have any of the opponents to pornography ever offered (and provided) a more popular alternative? Has anyone ever come up with a product or service that is guaranteed to put the porn industry out of business?

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10 Mar 2016, 7:46 am

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Have any of the opponents to pornography ever offered (and provided) a more popular alternative? Has anyone ever come up with a product or service that is guaranteed to put the porn industry out of business?

No because the opponents of porn simply don't want people to seek sexual satisfaction. There is only one acceptable alternative- deny your drives.

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10 Mar 2016, 7:49 am

I don't think anyone said that banning pornography was the solution. There's nothing wrong with porn (even though there's a problem with the fact that mainstream porn often forgets the emotional and shared side of the sexual experience, and that's something that needs to change IMO). The problem is that teens and even children have watched something age inappropriate. Not that it's so horribly traumatizing to watch adults having sex at some point, that desire is an important part of being a teen. But at their age, they don't make the difference between fiction and reality, and they don't realize that their idea of sex later in life has become something unrealistic, dehumanizing, unemotional and impossible to reach. Responsable adults know the difference between fiction they see in porn and reality. Teens, and even to some extent, a few young adults as well, won't make the difference between porn and reality.
Teens don't get proper sex education, so they try "educating themselves" with watching porn, who can't transmit the true nature of sex, a deeply intimate and emotional experience, which always should include sharing and respect. This is the real problem. Teens are uneducated, because of prudish adults who are ashamed of providing sex education.

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10 Mar 2016, 9:34 am

beakybird wrote:

... There is only one acceptable alternative- deny your drives.

In other words ...

1 Thessalonians 4:4 ESV "That each one of you know how to control his own body in holiness and honor... "

Romans 8:8 ESV "Those who are in the flesh cannot please God."

A return to religion is what's needed to eliminate the influence of porn.

Yeah ... sackcloth and ashes will surely overcome the temptations of satin and lace.

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10 Mar 2016, 9:52 am

That's the same argument they make with violent video games

These deadbeats need to parent, they need to give their children a moral center, teach them to have empathy for others, they can't delegate this responsibility Comcast, Viacom, FOX, CBS, Disney, and Time Warner and expect their kid not to be crippled by it. These companies don't want to raise your kids, they want to market to your kids and it's turning their brains into mush. Half of kids are born out of wedlock, have of these marriages end in divorce, we're a miserable people who do not value our children as the individuals they will become.

My parents are kind old school in their values, they both were raised WWII vets and a working mother who grew up in the depression plus there has been a 'depression' in my hometown since probably the 1960s so they felt it was their responsibility that they stay together for the sake of their children despite all the problems we all have because what is the alternative? If my parents came of age in this present time, there is a good chance I would get aborted as my parents weren't married or maybe my dad would of ran off and I very much doubt they'd stay married now had they not been raised believing that creating a life is a great SHARED responsibility that they can't run away from.

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10 Mar 2016, 10:26 am

Fnord wrote:

Have any of the opponents to pornography ever offered (and provided) a more popular alternative? Has anyone ever come up with a product or service that is guaranteed to put the porn industry out of business?

Religion has been offered. More popular???

Product? I've read heroin does this. Probably not offered by too many churches though.

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10 Mar 2016, 10:31 am

Religion, drugs, porn ... addictions come in many forms.

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10 Mar 2016, 12:26 pm

"Religion, drugs, porn ... addictions come in many forms."

But drugs are not always addictive. Most have a real purpose as well. We're talking medicine here, although abuse of drugs (as pornography) can easily (for some) cause addiction I agree.

Religion? Addictive? I imagine it can be. But always? I know little of religion. Must have "some" good in it.

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10 Mar 2016, 2:42 pm

MissAlgernon wrote:

I don't think anyone said that banning pornography was the solution. There's nothing wrong with porn (even though there's a problem with the fact that mainstream porn often forgets the emotional and shared side of the sexual experience, and that's something that needs to change IMO). The problem is that teens and even children have watched something age inappropriate. Not that it's so horribly traumatizing to watch adults having sex at some point, that desire is an important part of being a teen. But at their age, they don't make the difference between fiction and reality, and they don't realize that their idea of sex later in life has become something unrealistic, dehumanizing, unemotional and impossible to reach. Responsable adults know the difference between fiction they see in porn and reality. Teens, and even to some extent, a few young adults as well, won't make the difference between porn and reality.
Teens don't get proper sex education, so they try "educating themselves" with watching porn, who can't transmit the true nature of sex, a deeply intimate and emotional experience, which always should include sharing and respect. This is the real problem. Teens are uneducated, because of prudish adults who are ashamed of providing sex education.

So you're telling me teens don't know that porn is acting...I mean in that case how is porn anymore harmful than sex scenes in movies that often aren't very realistic either? I mean when I was a teen I and most any other teen I knew could tell the difference from movies and reality and were aware that porn wasn't meant as a reflection of real world sex. Currently I also know a few individuals in the teen/young adult category and they don't seem confused about the difference between porn and real life sex.

Of course if a teens only exposure to sexual activity was seeing porn, I could see it skewing their view so of course sex education is important as well as society not treating it like some big inappropriate secret.

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10 Mar 2016, 3:03 pm

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I'm genuinely concerned for the mental well-being of anyone who can, without a hint of irony, make the kind of claim that you've made here.

Really? On a mental health support forum your using your opponents mental health as a tool to win your argument. That's just sad.

On the topic: Access to pornography at a young age creates unrealistic expectations in young boys. And unwanted pressure on young girls to behave as the boys have become familiar with.

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10 Mar 2016, 3:09 pm

@ Sweetleaf : Many teens don't know that porn is fiction, when it comes to differences between porn and real sex. And it's quite true with movies too. I've noticed it myself. Many of them systematically try to reproduce porn scenes in bed, are tempted to try potentially dangerous stuff, and have problems of unrealistic performance anxiety. Their view of sex is completely mechanical and girls must pleasure boys all the time, but boys don't give anything in return.
You either met teens who are less influenced by porn than average, or I met teens who are more influenced by porn than average... Or maybe it's just cultural differences (I'm European)...

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10 Mar 2016, 7:30 pm

MissAlgernon wrote:

I don't think anyone said that banning pornography was the solution. There's nothing wrong with porn (even though there's a problem with the fact that mainstream porn often forgets the emotional and shared side of the sexual experience, and that's something that needs to change IMO). The problem is that teens and even children have watched something age inappropriate. Not that it's so horribly traumatizing to watch adults having sex at some point, that desire is an important part of being a teen. But at their age, they don't make the difference between fiction and reality, and they don't realize that their idea of sex later in life has become something unrealistic, dehumanizing, unemotional and impossible to reach. Responsable adults know the difference between fiction they see in porn and reality. Teens, and even to some extent, a few young adults as well, won't make the difference between porn and reality.
Teens don't get proper sex education, so they try "educating themselves" with watching porn, who can't transmit the true nature of sex, a deeply intimate and emotional experience, which always should include sharing and respect. This is the real problem. Teens are uneducated, because of prudish adults who are ashamed of providing sex education.

But porn isn't fiction for everybody. It's how some people enjoy sex most.

Sex does not have to be an emotional binding experience for everyone. For many they are intertwined, but for others they are quite separate. The "true nature of sex" is to produce children. Emotions nor passion are included in it's most "natural" sense.

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10 Mar 2016, 7:48 pm

beakybird wrote:

MissAlgernon wrote:

I don't think anyone said that banning pornography was the solution. There's nothing wrong with porn (even though there's a problem with the fact that mainstream porn often forgets the emotional and shared side of the sexual experience, and that's something that needs to change IMO). The problem is that teens and even children have watched something age inappropriate. Not that it's so horribly traumatizing to watch adults having sex at some point, that desire is an important part of being a teen. But at their age, they don't make the difference between fiction and reality, and they don't realize that their idea of sex later in life has become something unrealistic, dehumanizing, unemotional and impossible to reach. Responsable adults know the difference between fiction they see in porn and reality. Teens, and even to some extent, a few young adults as well, won't make the difference between porn and reality. Teens don't get proper sex education, so they try "educating themselves" with watching porn, who can't transmit the true nature of sex, a deeply intimate and emotional experience, which always should include sharing and respect. This is the real problem. Teens are uneducated, because of prudish adults who are ashamed of providing sex education.

But porn isn't fiction for everybody. It's how some people enjoy sex most. Sex does not have to be an emotional binding experience for everyone. For many they are intertwined, but for others they are quite separate. The "true nature of sex" is to produce children. Emotions nor passion are included in it's most "natural" sense.

Agreed. Love and sex are two different things, as you can have either one without having the other.

While the plots and dialogues of porn are contrived and fictional, the the actors and the sexual activity itself are very real (except for hentai).

If people want children to have no contact with porn, then they are out of touch with reality - even more so if they believe that their children have never had contact with porn by age 12.

Either offer something to kids that more attractive than porn, or do away with porn entirely. That's the only way the prevent contact between porn and kids.

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10 Mar 2016, 7:58 pm

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beakybird wrote:

MissAlgernon wrote:

I don't think anyone said that banning pornography was the solution. There's nothing wrong with porn (even though there's a problem with the fact that mainstream porn often forgets the emotional and shared side of the sexual experience, and that's something that needs to change IMO). The problem is that teens and even children have watched something age inappropriate. Not that it's so horribly traumatizing to watch adults having sex at some point, that desire is an important part of being a teen. But at their age, they don't make the difference between fiction and reality, and they don't realize that their idea of sex later in life has become something unrealistic, dehumanizing, unemotional and impossible to reach. Responsable adults know the difference between fiction they see in porn and reality. Teens, and even to some extent, a few young adults as well, won't make the difference between porn and reality. Teens don't get proper sex education, so they try "educating themselves" with watching porn, who can't transmit the true nature of sex, a deeply intimate and emotional experience, which always should include sharing and respect. This is the real problem. Teens are uneducated, because of prudish adults who are ashamed of providing sex education.

But porn isn't fiction for everybody. It's how some people enjoy sex most. Sex does not have to be an emotional binding experience for everyone. For many they are intertwined, but for others they are quite separate. The "true nature of sex" is to produce children. Emotions nor passion are included in it's most "natural" sense.

Agreed. Love and sex are two different things, as you can have either one without having the other.

While the plots and dialogues of porn are contrived and fictional, the the actors and the sexual activity itself are very real (except for hentai).

If people want children to have no contact with porn, then they are out of touch with reality - even more so if they believe that their children have never had contact with porn by age 12.

Either offer something to kids that more attractive than porn, or do away with porn entirely. That's the only way the prevent contact between porn and kids.

Porn can never be done away with. There's been pornographic paintings for millennia. Technology has just made it more accessible.

And as someone who grew up pre-internet, there was still plenty of porn around. It may not have been as varied, but it was there. I had a friend when I was young that had an older brother in his 20s, and we raided his porn stash on a regular basis.

I mean why can't we accept that some people just like more hardcore sex, and others do not? I'm sure there are plenty of each on both sides of the aisle, just pair up with one you have the same idea of sex about. It's probably easier to find a compatible woman today in that regard, because many women look at porn too. You can tell by the evolution of the male porn actor. They used to be haggard, older men, because it was marketed to men, and men wanted to envision this sexy woman who's into guys who look just like you do. I find there's alot of porn going the other way now too, attractive fit man with a woman who isn't prototypically "hot".

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10 Mar 2016, 8:39 pm

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I think we really need to look at how we're raising our kids. When I was a kid, I don't remember girls being expected to engage in sexual intercourse before even any kind of relationship occurred, at least not on this scale. The girls here are clearly being negatively impacted, because the feelings of boys and men are being prioritized over them.

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles ... 420147.htm

And, yeah, if you ask someone out (and this includes asking out girls and women) and they say "no," then accept it. Don't try to argue with them, don't try to create a persuasive speech, or anything like that: that's just creepy and shows you have zero respect for them as a person.

Even when I was in high school, the same kind of thing happened. That the feelings of boys and men were being prioritised over the girls and yes, even then they still wanted sex as a priority for them and had sexist attitudes towards girls. So, I don't think that pornography is to blame for this. I'm not saying that it's ok for adolescents to have access to porn or that the sexist attitudes of boys is ok, I just don't think that there's much evidence of a connection between the two. Also, it's not only the boys who look at porn on the internet, girls do it too actually.

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