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12 Mar 2016, 5:48 pm

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Schrodinger's cat knocked over Russell's teapot, and made such a clatter that it caused Occam to cut himself with his razor!


At least that's how Kekule remembered it from his dream.


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12 Mar 2016, 6:37 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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You could use one of the Colonel's chickens (destined for the slaughter anyway) instead of a cat.

Or just use an inanimate smoke detector that would beep when a vile of fumes is set off.

Well, you'd have to leave the poison out of the equation. Otherwise I'm not sure who'd want to eat it afterward.


My blood sugar must be low, my first reaction was, "why would someone eat a smoke detector?". :roll:


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12 Mar 2016, 6:39 pm

Edenthiel wrote:
My blood sugar must be low, my first reaction was, "why would someone eat a smoke detector?". :roll:

Lol.


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12 Mar 2016, 6:45 pm

Edenthiel wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
You could use one of the Colonel's chickens (destined for the slaughter anyway) instead of a cat.

Or just use an inanimate smoke detector that would beep when a vile of fumes is set off.

Well, you'd have to leave the poison out of the equation. Otherwise I'm not sure who'd want to eat it afterward.


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What are you talking about?

Where did I say that you had to eat the chicken? And taking away the poison defeats the whole experiment.

My point was that we Americans have no compunction about killing chickens. So use a chicken instead of a campanion animal that we do have taboos about killing.

Or...use a human death row inmate.



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12 Mar 2016, 6:49 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
The whole idea of this thought experiment seems to be this - the seeming microcosmic absurdities, ie. the level where Newtonian mechanics fail, should be able to leverage macrocosmic absurdities. The additional implied question seems to be: if this is so why don't we generally see it?

Thats about the size of it. Taking the ambiguities of the subatomic realm which are ruled by the physics of quantum mechanics, and using them to leverage ambiguities in our every day macroscopic world. Taking the wave/particle duality of a photon -say- and leveraging a live/dead dual state in a poor animal.



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12 Mar 2016, 8:07 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
My point was that we Americans have no compunction about killing chickens. So use a chicken instead of a campanion animal that we do have taboos about killing.


True.

I was thinking two kill birds with one stone (wow... if that's not a strange pun considering the subject matter...) was just a better idea. Who knows, lethal quantities of CO? Something that kills it humanely and leaves it in an edible state goes back in full to your example of chickens being killed in the food industry and in this case it would just be the very scientific killing (or not killing) of that chicken where it was killed it would be shrink-wrapped at the local grocery store like any other.

On a complete side note one of my own moral idiosyncrasies that's been growing over time is people doing silly things with store-bought meat like tagging their girlfriends while they're putting on makeup or doing other things where it's clear they have no intention to eat it afterward. In a way killing a food animal is a solemn event, ie. that animal is giving up its life for our sustenance. In a way it shows that we're psychologically disconnected from our food-source but just the disrespect factor involved, IMHO it's a bit like blowing coke off a fallen soldier's dog tag. Not that your experiment, even with an inedible chicken, would fall under that scenario but it's part of why - aside from your Colonel Sander's comment - that my thoughts went to an edible outcome.

Edible smoke detectors though? That's a whole other rabbit-hole. Maybe the culinary chemists out in Spain will devise that one.


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12 Mar 2016, 8:33 pm

It involves exposing an intelligent animal with thoughts and feelings to carcinogenic, mutagenic radiation that could potentially cause permanent damage to the animal's body and cause the animal suffering...so, I vote no.