Worried that Bernie Sanders might lose nomination :(

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21 Mar 2016, 4:41 pm

If Bernie loses, I probably will not vote for Hillary come election time.

I don't like that she takes so much money in speaking fees. I don't like the fact that a lot of her votes come from "low information" voters. A lot of people do seem to vote on what the media reports and media does clearly favor Clinton. Hell, I remember one year I voted for Obama with about zero information. I'll admit it. It was the right vote over Bush but it was still a "low information" vote. Most people don't have the time to do hours and hours of research on the ins and outs of the candidates they vote for. Most people are working, have lives outside of politics. I think media has a responsibility to give everyone equal air time because most people don't have time to do research on the internet.

At least Bernie is trying to play by the rules. That's of course why he can't win.



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22 Mar 2016, 2:28 pm

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22 Mar 2016, 2:43 pm

He might, but it doesn't mean all he stands for will just be forgotten about, at least he may have a positive influence which is more than some politicians can say. Maybe we will see more candidates who refuse to take big money for their campaign and are funded by the people and will serve the people instead of interests of the few wealthy elite.


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22 Mar 2016, 2:51 pm

the problem with younger folk is that all too often they can't be bothered to vote. that is why can't help but believe that in a race between Bernie and The Rump, it will result in a landslide similar to McGovern vs. Nixon in '72.



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22 Mar 2016, 2:58 pm

auntblabby wrote:
the problem with younger folk is that all too often they can't be bothered to vote. that is why can't help but believe that in a race between Bernie and The Rump, it will result in a landslide similar to McGovern vs. Nixon in '72.


There are also some that want to but are at a loss of who, like they don't think Bernie has the best chance and don't want Trump and also don't like Hillary...if it comes down to Hillary and Trump its just the lesser or two evils, though hillary can probably be more influenced by the public she does seem to like approval. Trump on the other hand has an ego the size of Jupiter even if I agreed with more of his words and policies he'd like to create I still think I would find him a reckless choice due to that...then again as it stands currently maybe with such a dramatic Rump in the whitehouse more people would wake up to some of the problems in this country and realize that Rump is a wonderful representation of your country.

I certainly prefer Bernie Sanders and I am not sure what i will do if he does not get the nomination, that will take much more thought...but there's about a year left for that I suppose.


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22 Mar 2016, 3:02 pm

2 shrub terms failed to wake up the American people, I don't know what more can be done.



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22 Mar 2016, 3:05 pm

auntblabby wrote:
2 shrub terms failed to wake up the American people, I don't know what more can be done.


Though they weren't as bad as trump, but yeah the odds do seem against awareness.


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22 Mar 2016, 3:18 pm

i'm beginning to think trans fats and corn syrup collectively lobotomized the bulk of us.



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22 Mar 2016, 3:26 pm

People can say all the things they like on social media and discussion groups about their chosen candidate but at the end of the day it's down to those who actually go and vote.

No amount of pandering to like-minded individuals who back your candidate for Facebook likes will increase said candidate's vote count.

Bernie's ideas will live on, even if he doesn't win the nomination. And maybe in another 4 years another will take his stance on things.

I wouldn't worry if he doesn't get the nomination. The world won't stop. I mean, how many bad presidencies have you lived through, and yet you're still here?


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22 Mar 2016, 6:02 pm

but the next bad president could cost you your health care. those with chronic illnesses will be in a situation incompatible with continued living.



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22 Mar 2016, 6:06 pm

We just HAVE to get national health insurance for life-threatening conditions.

Then we'll be a more civilized society.

Otherwise, we are an anachronism.



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22 Mar 2016, 6:12 pm

we are collectively dancing around the edges of fascism, dipping our toes in, and this coming election will determine whether or not we jump in with both feet. if this happens, the lack of healthcare will just be the start of the woes of the lower classes. those FEMA camps will be used. cruz the ooze just said on tv that when he becomes president, waterboarding would just be the beginning, and the fact that he would do that possibly to American citizens tells me that in addition to disregarding the constitutional prohibition of "cruel and unusual punishments," that the rest of the constitution would be up for grabs as well. the stakes of this November are that high. we MUST vote for the lesser of two evils, there is no way around this, for if we don't then we most assuredly will get the greater of two evils, possibly permanently.



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22 Mar 2016, 6:27 pm

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But having said what I said above I have to admit that it is curious how the GOP also had an "establishment" candidate with similiar advantages to Hillary. And its interesting how that candidate got slaughtered early in the race!

Jeb Bush's bood kinship to two former presidents, and recent service as a state governor add up to roughly the same amount of strength as Hillary's kinship by marriage to a former president, and recent service as secy of State. But that didnt help him much.

So this IS an election to expect the unexpected.


Democrats have super delegates and Bernie Sanders who won't even play to his greatest strength over is not like going up against Donald Trump who throws everything including the kitchen sink at. No other credible Democrats ran because the field was purposely cleared for Hillary, I don't believe if we have a 17 person race on the Democratic side that Hillary would of came out the winner because she just straight up isn't the likable and has an awful record. Bernie didn't even really start climbing on Hillary until she foolishly took a shot at Trump who unleashed a barrage of attacks on her. Dubya was and is very unpopular in the party, most Democrats are not particularly ideological and Bill Clinton was a winner at a time the economy was going good so most of them have a positive opinion of him.

If Joe Biden decided to run, he'd be the nominee. Simple as that but as said, the field was purposely cleared for Hillary of any serious competition. Bernie doing as well as he is, is more a testament to the unpopularity of Hillary than the popularity of Bernie Sanders. Bernie was always a regional candidate with limited demographic and ideological appeal, he was never capable of winning a national election. It's just a side show, give the media something to talk about on the Democrat side or else Hillary would be MIA for months or have to start going head to head with Republicans or the media both of which she has an aversion of doing. Bernie is just there to charge up the activist base and to try pass it off to Hillary who could never generate excitement on her own.