America- the Brainwashed Nation

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Sir, I have the data needed to back my claims. Patriotism is much higher than in most other nations as is the tendency towards American style conservatism. Just consider what was done to Clinton's healthcare proposal back in that era. Not a sign of soviet sympathy.


No we aren't. Pinkos would have better free speech. The US is not third world either. Taxation is too high though and tax burden issues do exist. We have a high tax government that returns very little and I know that. Griff, I never stated anything that was rose colored and you don't win much strength by extrapolating claims. Our government is as dumb as crap. Our right wing really does not do what it should and is dishonest as are all of our politicians. My ideals are definitely not where one would hope, they still live though. Really though, you have not even dealt with my claim just covered it with a layer of crap, the man claimed soviet subversion, our system just is filled with stupid crap but we are far from being subverted by soviet propaganda considering how anti-communist the US is.

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of course.....ask cuba, china, north korea, or venezuela about that!


chavez recently shut down radio caracas television because he loves freedom of speech so much...especially the dissenting views.

I think that American Idol knowers would actually be less than 80%, however, nobody said that America was very educated. This does not mean that America has ever been top notch at geography either. Voter apathy is something that is often very high. CO2 emission has a lot less to do with SUVs and Hummers than claimed though as those are only a portion of the vehicle population and are about half as efficient and transportation is less than half of production of CO2 in the US. Really, it probably has more to do with our high GDP, our sprawled out area, and our lack of pre-existing gas taxes or pollution taxes. American politics is difficult because it was designed to be difficult, the madisonian system is not designed to allow much progress. The bible belt only has a part to do with this. The economy is doing relatively alright, it has only slowed down somewhat recently from a growth rate higher than most of the major economies in the EU pull off(I do not measure the entire EU as it has a few less developed areas experiencing high growth rates) and it has a lower unemployment rate than many of the nations there as well, the major issues are simply greater inequality and possible issues with social mobility which you have touched on. Greater inequality is largely an issue because of the downward pressures on wages due to the rise of new technologies and to some extent outsourcing as well with both factors being of major importance. Social mobility is partially due to a problematic children's education system is partially due to the push for a bachelors degree higher education and for a high quality one. Our society pushes bachelors degrees too highly as those are more expensive and trade school can provide opportunities at a lower cost for mediocre students. Not only that but the stress placed on high quality education leads to a rise in education prices as colleges all rush to get the best applicants who seek to get into the best school no matter the price. Really though, given that I see the problem as being from demand more than anything else I am not incredibly worried, more help for those poorer may be desirable though. Really though, the US has a relatively high rate of tertiary education and falls just below Canada. The baby boomer generation doesn't know how to raise children well, I will give you that, however, they have not done a horrible job. Today's generation mostly has a problem with ego, not discipline and youth are actually a bit better behaved according to some studies on drug use and other factors. Crime rates have gone up from the 60s but down throughout the last decade. Graduation rates have mostly just gotten worse relative to other nations as other nations have improved. Marijuana is the major commonly used drug and it is legal in most other areas. Homelessness is not commonly found amongst the upper class. Oil companies do take too many subsidies in many cases however they really do not have much of a hand in anything here as we import more oil than export. Oil companies are big in Texas and Oklahoma where there is no environment to be concerned about. I tend to doubt the idea of a class war though, by most standards Americans do relatively well.

Chavez isn't a pinko, he is just loved by all pinkos. It is the difference between pinko hippies in the US, which were created by the KGB supposedly, and the real socialists. The pinkos who have supposedly invaded our nation love free speech, socialists have not usually protected it. The pinkos ultimately get executed by the socialists as noted by the KGB man.

Depends on what conservatives. Some people who lean in that direction are intelligent, well thought out individuals, others are scum. I do not have to defend the idea that the US is ideal, however, the fact of the matter is that it does get attacked somewhat unjustly as being primitive.

pinkos love communism and communism will always bring about socialist fascists...it's the only way that form of government can ever form and retain power.


the pinkos are too stupid to realize this and generally romanticize with ideas that cannot be achieved under any realistic circumstances other than fascism.

Whoever told you that sure as hell doesn't go to my school.

I never said that all areas of the nation are homogeneous. In fact, homogeneity would be false. However, I have read about the studies before making this claim. We are not the hippies of the 60s but rather the yuppies of the 00s. Our ego problem is noted though as college students have bigger egos now and employers now have to deal with that. Really though, without something to properly put things in perspective how can anything be compared?

Right, and that is the great shock that faces them.

Would you let fundamentalists on TV? : IMHO free speech has drawbacks when you allow idiots air time . Pary of the reason the US is such a backward place is because they are TOO TOLERANT, there is such a thing as justified censorship. IMHO the world would be a better place if we took all the religious books and burned them and killed all the crazy religious people, but the problem is religion is too pervasive, it would end up in civil war.

do you see me complaining about EWTN on the air? actually i don't think i've ever mentioned them before this point. i've stood up for free speech more than anyone else...but i also will stand against ideas that i find undesirable or otherwise flawed...and i do so by engaging in debate. i don't seek to create new legislation.....just out smart them and beat them the old fashioned way.....by being right.

Patriotism leads to totalitarianism. I consider the patriot a traitor to my nation, for the patriot invites tyranny onto our soil. This is the case if you consider "patriotism" the sort of fawning flaggotry I've witnessed in this country. The high ideals of our founders have been raped and twisted into tools of the same evil filth they fought against. The sort of patriotism that I see today doesn't represent the patriotism for which this country was fought. Modern "patriotism" more resembles the "loyalists" who sought to undermine them. If you are a patriot, in the modern perversion of it, then you are truly my deadly enemy.

That's the problem I see with you libertarians. You seem to think that resisting the Democrats equates to promoting liberty, so you side with the Republicans in spite of the Republicans being even closer to KGB attitudes than the Dems. You also seem to think that the government is threatening your freedom by providing a social service; you bawl and cry over the prospect of a tax increase to pay for it, yet countries that have enacted even more sophisticated healthcare systems have lower tax rates than we do. Perhaps you should look a little bit beyond seemingly revolutionary changes in the system and give a closer examination to the little things that have been piling up in places you haven't been watching.

It looks like it to anyone who's ever travelled outside the country, dude.

No, the problem is too high a tax burden in comparison to possible revenue. If the government pursued measures to promote economic growth, taxation, marked as a percentage, would go down.

Hey, dude, you're the one who reasserted this myth that Europe is more "socialistic" than the US. This is an outdated belief. You're behind the times.

So true.

No, I said what was on my mind, which is what I've done through thick and thin my whole life.

Dude, I was just objecting to your assertions regarding Europe, mostly, but you'd really be surprised at how much of America's "anti-communism" is pure lip service.

except to uh...you know..people who live in third world countries....and they just think you're a whiny brat who takes for granted all you have.


go to russia and tell someone the US is a third world country...see their reaction.


i'm not saying everyone outside the US is impoverished....but to say we're a third world nation is just an insult to people who are actually suffering.


if that were true, we'd have a problem with brain drain and losing qualified citizens...and mexicans wouldn't be coming here to try and make a better life for themselves and their families.

All of our Founding Fathers were patriots. They obviously had a different idea of what a patriot was than you do.

Patriotism doesn't invite totalitarianism. Nationalism does. Americans in WWII were extremely patriotic. The Germans and the Japanese were nationalistic. There's a big difference between the two.

you actually get it!! !! !

Yes, I would definitely let them on TV. They have a right to do this. I do not view the US as truly that backward, just as a nation with problems like all of the others. We need to overhaul our governments. I do not think that censorship can be justified for purely ideological reasons. We need free flow of ideas and the fact of the matter is that few people in the US would even support your plans meaning that it would have to be done by a cruel dictator.