lee atwater admission about rightwing politics & codewords

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was Lee Atwater telling it like it is, or just joshing?
Lee was just joshing :oops: 11%  11%  [ 1 ]
Lee was truthful :x 67%  67%  [ 6 ]
I dunno. :shrug: 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I just want a totally non-political ice cream :chef: 22%  22%  [ 2 ]
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24 May 2016, 10:01 pm

^^or Kansas and NC [among other places] trying systematically to drive away their LGBT population in the same manner as colored folk were driven en masse away from the south during the jim crow era [the first one, in any case].



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24 May 2016, 11:55 pm

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And what did LBJ say about passing the civil rights acts? "I'd have those n****** voting Democratic for the next 200 years"

The elites of both parties wish to rule over peoples they absolutely disdain


And yet his actions spoke more than his words. I'm certain that black Americans have no problem with LBJ's racial slur when the same man gave them the right to vote, the right to poop wherever they like, and the right to shop and eat anywhere they like. It hardly is the same thing as the Republican machinations to chip away at civil rights gains.


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25 May 2016, 12:01 am

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This means noone can talk about cutting taxes or states rights without being accused of something.


States Rights is what brought us the legalization of marijuana in several states , so no, its not a racist codeword!
Cutting of taxes just benefits everyone.


I live in Washington, one of the few states that has legalized pot. That said, most states rights matters involves taking rights away from minorities.
As for tax cuts benefiting everyone - no, it doesn't. It benefits the rich, but public funds meant for the upkeep of services and the infrastructure suffer. Those in need of the social safety net are the ones to suffer the most, as the programs they depend on dwindle from lack of tax money.


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25 May 2016, 12:12 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
slenkar wrote:
This means noone can talk about cutting taxes or states rights without being accused of something. States Rights is what brought us the legalization of marijuana in several states , so no, its not a racist codeword! Cutting of taxes just benefits everyone.


I live in Washington, one of the few states that has legalized pot. That said, most states rights matters involves taking rights away from minorities.
As for tax cuts benefiting everyone - no, it doesn't. It benefits the rich, but public funds meant for the upkeep of services and the infrastructure suffer. Those in need of the social safety net are the ones to suffer the most, as the programs they depend on dwindle from lack of tax money.

it is possible that people who say such things see the poor as not a part of "everyone."



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25 May 2016, 12:13 am

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^^or Kansas and NC [among other places] trying systematically to drive away their LGBT population in the same manner as colored folk were driven en masse away from the south during the jim crow era [the first one, in any case].


I almost forgot how LGBT rights were the most recent victim of "states rights." The states that had defended Jim Crow with states rights are mostly the current offenders today.


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25 May 2016, 12:20 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
slenkar wrote:
This means noone can talk about cutting taxes or states rights without being accused of something. States Rights is what brought us the legalization of marijuana in several states , so no, its not a racist codeword! Cutting of taxes just benefits everyone.


I live in Washington, one of the few states that has legalized pot. That said, most states rights matters involves taking rights away from minorities.
As for tax cuts benefiting everyone - no, it doesn't. It benefits the rich, but public funds meant for the upkeep of services and the infrastructure suffer. Those in need of the social safety net are the ones to suffer the most, as the programs they depend on dwindle from lack of tax money.

it is possible that people who say such things see the poor as not a part of "everyone."


No, they don't. They also don't see gays or racial or religious minorities as "everyone," either.


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25 May 2016, 12:41 am

I think if Lincoln were alive today, he might say something along the lines of one of his old [paraphrased] letters-
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. as a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' we now practically read it, 'all men are created equal, except for those who plainly are not.' when the Know-Nothings [Trump and the tea party] get control, it will read, 'all men are created equal except colored folk and the poor, and Muslims, liberals and LGBT.' when it comes to this i should prefer emigrating to some other country where they make no pretense of loving liberty - to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, without the base alloy of hypocrisy."



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25 May 2016, 6:08 am

auntblabby wrote:
I think if Lincoln were alive today, he might say something along the lines of one of his old [paraphrased] letters-
"Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. as a nation, we began by declaring that 'all men are created equal.' we now practically read it, 'all men are created equal, except for those who plainly are not.' when the Know-Nothings [Trump and the tea party] get control, it will read, 'all men are created equal except colored folk and the poor, and Muslims, liberals and LGBT.' when it comes to this i should prefer emigrating to some other country where they make no pretense of loving liberty - to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, without the base alloy of hypocrisy."


In Trump world there are only two groups of people winners and losers. He likes some winner Mexicans but hates the loser rapist ones, there are two groups of women winners like his wife and those he has hired and the losers whose blood comes out from whatever.


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25 May 2016, 1:21 pm

Anyone earning 37 to 90 thousand dollars has a 25% tax rate,
cutting their taxes would improve their lives.

So no, tax cuts don't just benefit the wealthy.



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25 May 2016, 1:33 pm

slenkar wrote:
Anyone earning 37 to 90 thousand dollars has a 25% tax rate,
cutting their taxes would improve their lives.

So no, tax cuts don't just benefit the wealthy.


As someone living below the poverty, someone making 90 thousand a year might as well be rich.
But as I said, without collection of tax money, government services and infrastructure will suffer.


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25 May 2016, 1:36 pm

That's federal tax which can be reduced, cutting taxes doesn't mean eliminating them completely.

State taxes should pay for infrastructure.

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Even Kennedy used racist codewords


The argument that states rights can be abused to create laws that harm minorities also applies to the federal government, they could create a bad law,then the people who abolished States rights would look quite foolish.



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25 May 2016, 1:41 pm

slenkar wrote:
That's federal tax which can be reduced, cutting taxes doesn't mean eliminating them completely.

State taxes should pay for infrastructure.

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Because of George W's idiot tax cuts, we did suffer, because state taxes needed to be raised to compensate for the loss of tax money.


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25 May 2016, 2:03 pm

I believe in cutting the taxes of the poorest, they are in the majority so they drive the economy.

Poorer people will spend more if they are allowed to keep more of their own money. This creates demand for new things, like they would be more likely to buy a new car or TV given the chance.

Giving money to the wealthy to create jobs doesn't work because they aren't good at creating demand most of the time,(except innovative companies that sell new entertaining devices.)

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25 May 2016, 3:01 pm

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I believe in cutting the taxes of the poorest, they are in the majority so they drive the economy.

Poorer people will spend more if they are allowed to keep more of their own money. This creates demand for new things, like they would be more likely to buy a new car or TV given the chance.

Giving money to the wealthy to create jobs doesn't work because they aren't good at creating demand most of the time,(except innovative companies that sell new entertaining devices.)

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I think we are getting closer to agreement.


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25 May 2016, 4:58 pm

I think so ;)
Fox News and Lee Atwood create a bad reputation for conservatism and drive people to the democratic party.



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25 May 2016, 5:22 pm

slenkar wrote:
I think so ;)
Fox News and Lee Atwood create a bad reputation for conservatism and drive people to the democratic party.

to paraphrase henry Kissinger, "90% of GOPers give the other 10% a bad reputation." :razz: