Trump says Hispanic Americans have an 'inherent conflict'

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05 Jun 2016, 4:53 pm

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Nobody's saying that. ".

The OP used the word "policies".

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[Rather, all people of a certain ethnic background shouldn't be demonized because of the actions of a criminal element among them, as racists do. And that racist perception shouldn't be the basis of national policy.

Trump isn't demonizing anyone.

We have a problem.

The worst of humanity is entering the country illegally.

They kill, rape, kidnap, molest, run drugs, break into people's homes, car-jack ...

Understandably, because they're very poor, uneducated and likely don't speak English.

This doesn't happen with Canadians, because they aren't poor, are educated, and speak English.

Overtly, this has nothing to do with race.


Yes, he is demonizing Latinos, as fewer of them commit crimes as compared to Americans. Trump is just pandering to people's prejudices by making an unpopular group scapegoats. And seriously, how many Americans are going to work back breaking migrant jobs, that don't pay workers what they're worth, and that offer zero benefits? Illegals in fact pay taxes, and don't reap benefits, all the while doing jobs the rest of us would be out of our minds to do.


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05 Jun 2016, 5:21 pm

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For all Trump's railings against illegals being prone to criminality, and lacking American values, I think it's widely understood that illegals is just code for Latinos among racists.


Illegal is not a race, skin color or ethnicity, it is simply a character trait of dishonesty. You have a rather vivid imagination.


No, illegal is not a "race, skin color, or ethnicity," but when racists speak of illegals, it's code for Latinos as a whole. That's why white supremacists are endorsing Trump right and left. Seriously, are trump or any of his supporters at all concerned about illegals coming from Ireland? Of course not, because they're white, despite the fact that they might have IRA terrorist connections. They're only concerned about brown people coming into the country.


So what? It's normal and healthy to prefer to live around your own kind.

"Those people secretly believe X" wails the liberal Kraichgauer, "I can't explain what's bad about X, but they're bad and I'm good because I say so, so there."



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05 Jun 2016, 5:38 pm

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For all Trump's railings against illegals being prone to criminality, and lacking American values, I think it's widely understood that illegals is just code for Latinos among racists.


Illegal is not a race, skin color or ethnicity, it is simply a character trait of dishonesty. You have a rather vivid imagination.


No, illegal is not a "race, skin color, or ethnicity," but when racists speak of illegals, it's code for Latinos as a whole. That's why white supremacists are endorsing Trump right and left. Seriously, are trump or any of his supporters at all concerned about illegals coming from Ireland? Of course not, because they're white, despite the fact that they might have IRA terrorist connections. They're only concerned about brown people coming into the country.


So what? It's normal and healthy to prefer to live around your own kind.

"Those people secretly believe X" wails the liberal Kraichgauer, "I can't explain what's bad about X, but they're bad and I'm good because I say so, so there."


Well, living in a pluralistic society like America tends to make it tough to just live with your own kind.
And if x is racism, or some other sort of bigotry, then I can definitely tell you why it's wrong.


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05 Jun 2016, 7:00 pm

Trump is probably going to inspire more young Hispanics to register to vote, thereby increasing their turnout.



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05 Jun 2016, 7:08 pm

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Trump is probably going to inspire more young Hispanics to register to vote, thereby increasing their turnout.


Well, St Augustine had said something to the effect of: in evil, there's always a little good. The increase in Latino voter registration is the good coming out of a bad situation.


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05 Jun 2016, 7:14 pm

By Trump's logic, any time you don't like a judge you can just say something critical of some association of that judge et viola! Instant 'conflict of interest' in the judge...



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05 Jun 2016, 7:16 pm

chessboxer wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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For all Trump's railings against illegals being prone to criminality, and lacking American values, I think it's widely understood that illegals is just code for Latinos among racists.


Illegal is not a race, skin color or ethnicity, it is simply a character trait of dishonesty. You have a rather vivid imagination.


No, illegal is not a "race, skin color, or ethnicity," but when racists speak of illegals, it's code for Latinos as a whole. That's why white supremacists are endorsing Trump right and left. Seriously, are trump or any of his supporters at all concerned about illegals coming from Ireland? Of course not, because they're white, despite the fact that they might have IRA terrorist connections. They're only concerned about brown people coming into the country.


So what? It's normal and healthy to prefer to live around your own kind.

"Those people secretly believe X" wails the liberal Kraichgauer, "I can't explain what's bad about X, but they're bad and I'm good because I say so, so there."


At least, here, you admit X, so we can move past the "denial" stage.


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05 Jun 2016, 7:46 pm

chessboxer wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Shrapnel wrote:
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For all Trump's railings against illegals being prone to criminality, and lacking American values, I think it's widely understood that illegals is just code for Latinos among racists.


Illegal is not a race, skin color or ethnicity, it is simply a character trait of dishonesty. You have a rather vivid imagination.


No, illegal is not a "race, skin color, or ethnicity," but when racists speak of illegals, it's code for Latinos as a whole. That's why white supremacists are endorsing Trump right and left. Seriously, are trump or any of his supporters at all concerned about illegals coming from Ireland? Of course not, because they're white, despite the fact that they might have IRA terrorist connections. They're only concerned about brown people coming into the country.


So what? It's normal and healthy to prefer to live around your own kind.

"Those people secretly believe X" wails the liberal Kraichgauer, "I can't explain what's bad about X, but they're bad and I'm good because I say so, so there."


It is normal to want to live with your own kind, not healthy in that it makes youn less experianced and more vulnerable to group think.


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05 Jun 2016, 8:14 pm

"Hispanics are secretly demonizing me because I am publicly demonizing them! Waaaa...poor me."

When will folks learn that only Trump has the divine right to demonize people?

Jeeze!



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05 Jun 2016, 8:22 pm

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"Hispanics are secretly demonizing me because I am publicly demonizing them! Waaaa...poor me."

When will folks learn that only Trump has the divine right to demonize people?

Jeeze!


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06 Jun 2016, 9:22 am

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Trump is a sexist, racist madman and if he gets elected we can all kiss our sorry butts goodbye cuz we gonna get nuked. :(


I doubt the subjugation of Canada will require nukes, we'll have the boy scouts do it, or maybe the coast guard.



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06 Jun 2016, 9:28 am

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Trump is probably going to inspire more young Hispanics to register to vote, thereby increasing their turnout.

Trump is inspiring a lot of resident aliens to become citizens so they can vote against him.


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06 Jun 2016, 10:23 am

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I doubt the subjugation of Canada will require nukes, we'll have the boy scouts do it, or maybe the coast guard.

Ha! Have a look at how we handle non-violent protesters:



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06 Jun 2016, 11:21 am

GoonSquad wrote:
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Trump is a sexist, racist madman and if he gets elected we can all kiss our sorry butts goodbye cuz we gonna get nuked. :(


I doubt the subjugation of Canada will require nukes, we'll have the boy scouts do it, or maybe the coast guard.



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06 Jun 2016, 11:43 am

As senator, Hillary voted numerous times to build a wall with Mexico: What's the difference between what she did --voting to build the wall-- and what Trump wants to do now?



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06 Jun 2016, 12:07 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
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Nobody's saying that. ".

The OP used the word "policies".

Kraichgauer wrote:
[Rather, all people of a certain ethnic background shouldn't be demonized because of the actions of a criminal element among them, as racists do. And that racist perception shouldn't be the basis of national policy.

Trump isn't demonizing anyone.

We have a problem.

The worst of humanity is entering the country illegally.

They kill, rape, kidnap, molest, run drugs, break into people's homes, car-jack ...

Understandably, because they're very poor, uneducated and likely don't speak English.

This doesn't happen with Canadians, because they aren't poor, are educated, and speak English.

Overtly, this has nothing to do with race.


Yes, he is demonizing Latinos, as fewer of them commit crimes as compared to Americans. Trump is just pandering to people's prejudices by making an unpopular group scapegoats. And seriously, how many Americans are going to work back breaking migrant jobs, that don't pay workers what they're worth, and that offer zero benefits? Illegals in fact pay taxes, and don't reap benefits, all the while doing jobs the rest of us would be out of our minds to do.


"he is demonizing Latinos, as fewer of them commit crimes" I'd like you to prove this. People that say things like this are missing the point.

First remember the Mexican government will only "vet" people on a legal track for entry. So the argument is illegals are just like (or similar) to the general population...so if the general population in the U.S. is 10% criminal then the Mexicans will not be higher.....what kind of asinine stupidity is this??????

This means of the 10 million or so illegals then ONE MILLION are criminals....rapists and thieves... and this should somehow make me HAPPY? Until this number is brought down I'm totally against illegal immigration...even if for no other reason.

"And seriously, how many Americans are going to work back breaking migrant jobs, that don't pay workers what they're worth, and that offer zero benefits? Illegals in fact pay taxes, and don't reap benefits, all the while doing jobs the rest of us would be out of our minds to do.

And here you seem to be trying to defend the additional illegality of people trying to take advantage of these illegals. Have you done manual labor? I have. I've worked with every color and nationality and I'll say a man with a family who needs to put food on the table will have no problem doing manual labor....I don't care what color he/she is. You may not have the experience to understand this, but the statement you pass along about race or color and not wanting work, is very very racist.

And you seem to be saying that it's good for illegals to sneak into this country so illegal employers will have people to grind down.

The answer/solution the government ignores (being in cahoots with these huge agri-businesses) is comprehensive immigration reform that allows workers some dignity. But how much "press" do you see this idea getting? Please don't add to the misunderstanding...it just slows progress/reform.