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16 Jun 2016, 9:08 am

Gravity would be different due to different masses. A spaceship that could do that would be like a wet dream for me. But overall, this is not known to be possible. A black hole rips atoms apart. And the physics are universal. But i eould stil love to go there, looknfor life, find things like strong magnetic planets, etc. :D


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16 Jun 2016, 9:24 am

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Would it be nice if we could actually send a spaceship to a black hole--and have it survive its impact?

I sometimes wonder if our laws of physics here on Earth apply within, say, the Andromeda Galaxy.


Most likely the do. We see nothing "strange" happening in the Andromeda Galaxy.


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16 Jun 2016, 9:26 am

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I think LoveNotHate was talking in general. I don't believe LoveNotHate was asking you to provide any evidence to what you are saying.

Her physics professor, who was from Missouri (the Show-Me State) believe in people showing him/her the evidence, the proof, of any hypothesis. He/she wanted people to "show" him/her how something is true.


Thanks.

Another physics professor would tells us to always ask two questions:

1. What do you know?
2. How do you know it?

One example, physic professors develop ideas like "Cold Fusion" that never seem to be able to be replicated in reality.



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16 Jun 2016, 9:33 am

[speculation]

Swiss Cheese & Bubble Verses

Imagine a Swiss Cheese - lots of cheesy material with empty bubbles distributed at random inside. Further imagine that the cheesy material goes on forever, so that there is nothing but bubble-filled cheesy material everywhere.

Now imagine that the bubbles contain matter and that the cheesy part is vacuum. This is the current state of the Multiverse - an eternal and infinite Void with little "bubble" universes scattered throughout. Our universe is one such bubble - a "Bubble-verse" (a "Hubble-verse"?).

The edge of the bubble represents the Microwave Horizon, which is expanding into the Void at the speed of light, and is the dying echo of the Big Bang that formed our own little bubble-verse and everything in it.

Other bubble-verses had their own Big Bang events. These Bing Bang events occur spontaneously throughout the Void, each one forming a bubble of matter and energy that expands outward at the speed of light. We may never detect any other bubble-verse because the Void is so enormously large that the light from the nearest neighboring bubble-verse will not reach our location until long after all matter within our own bubble-verse has decayed into a dim quark-like haze.

The estimated age of our bubble-verse is some 13,700,000,000 years, which places the Microwave Horizon some 13.7 billion light-years away. This is the furthest distance that our current technology can detect the most powerful sources of light. Beyond this boundary is the eternal and infinite Void - a cold, dark, and featureless region stretching forever in both time and space.

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The laws of Physics has never been observed to be any different on any other planet, in any other stellar system, or in any other galaxy, no matter how far away the observation is made. Therefor, it may be safe to assume that the laws of Physics are constant throughout our bubble-verse, and are likely to be the same in every bubble-verse throughout the Void.



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16 Jun 2016, 9:39 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I think LoveNotHate was talking in general. I don't believe LoveNotHate was asking you to provide any evidence to what you are saying.

Her physics professor, who was from Missouri (the Show-Me State) believe in people showing him/her the evidence, the proof, of any hypothesis. He/she wanted people to "show" him/her how something is true.


Thanks.

Another physics professor would tells us to always ask two questions:

1. What do you know?
2. How do you know it?

One example, physic professors develop ideas like "Cold Fusion" that never seem to be able to be replicated in reality.


I would rephrase that as:
1. What do you know
2. What do you think you know
3. Why do you think you know what you thing you know.

We know very few things first hand. Most of what we "know" is the witness of others and hear say.


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16 Jun 2016, 9:57 am

I understand what you folks are saying.

And I understand that scientists spend a great deal of time trying to get to the truth of the matter. And that they believe that the laws of physics on Earth are replicated in other places because of the consistency of the laws.

Still, I would really like to go to other galaxies....for the fun of it, as well as to determine the efficacy of our physics theories in those places. I wonder how local conditions, which are unavailable for us to see from Earth, can affect those laws which they painstakingly determined through many years of research.



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16 Jun 2016, 10:16 am

Agreed , it would be very fun


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16 Jun 2016, 10:41 am

Reality is subjective in many ways. But if that is what you worship, knock yourself out. Free World :wink:

Delta pretty much commented in flavor of my thought on this


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16 Jun 2016, 11:31 am

If you believe in a large universe you are putting faith in someone, you haven't seen it yourself so you can't be 100% sure.



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16 Jun 2016, 3:51 pm

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Reality is subjective in many ways. ...
It's the perception of reality that's subjective. Reality itself is objective - it remains the same whether you perceive it or not.


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16 Jun 2016, 4:35 pm

Say. What is your take on the "alternate-realities" that are typically called "dreams" ? Subjective-Reality ? Mind-Created Subjectivity ? Brain-Altered Reality ? Subjective-Perceptions ? Other ? I remember once reading from a source that referred to dreams as being a feedback-loop or mental garbage-disposal. Other theories ?

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gingerpickles wrote:
Reality is subjective in many ways. ...
It's the perception of reality that's subjective. Reality itself is objective - it remains the same whether you perceive it or not.


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16 Jun 2016, 4:54 pm

I have always been inspired by the timelessness and universality of physics.

Absolute laws, impossible to break. Everything (known) in the universe follows them.

Why does everything in the universe follow physics?

I don't know, maybe a god made the universe that way. If it was a god, it certainly wasn't the sort of god that would indulge in miracles.



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16 Jun 2016, 5:36 pm

I can't help but think we've actually explored an infinitesimal amount of the Known Universe.



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16 Jun 2016, 6:50 pm

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Say. What is your take on the "alternate-realities" that are typically called "dreams"? Subjective-Reality? Mind-Created Subjectivity? Brain-Altered Reality? Subjective-Perceptions? Other? I remember once reading from a source that referred to dreams as being a feedback-loop or mental garbage-disposal. Other theories?
A combination of random synaptic activity, repressed long-term memories, unresolved feelings, and the sorting and prioritization of short-term memories during a period of semi-consciousness and attenuated sensory input. Only this, and nothing more.


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16 Jun 2016, 8:33 pm

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Einsteinmyhero, I am astonished that you assume the notion that all of reality can be confined to mathematics and physical laws. ...
It is no surprise at all that anyone would believe in myths, lies, and legends - parents fill our heads with this nonsense from infancy to adolescence. What is a surprise is that some exceptional people grow up and throw away their childish beliefs in favor of practical knowledge, which is presented badly in our schools and media. Practical materialists make a difference, and there are too few of us. The rest do not, and there are too many of them.

Quoting verses from faith-based books as if they were somehow irresistible magic spells does nothing to convince us of their alleged validity.



Wish you could have been a little more tactful in making that statement. Show some respect.


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16 Jun 2016, 9:50 pm

Deltaville wrote:
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Einsteinmyhero, I am astonished that you assume the notion that all of reality can be confined to mathematics and physical laws. ...
It is no surprise at all that anyone would believe in myths, lies, and legends - parents fill our heads with this nonsense from infancy to adolescence. What is a surprise is that some exceptional people grow up and throw away their childish beliefs in favor of practical knowledge, which is presented badly in our schools and media. Practical materialists make a difference, and there are too few of us. The rest do not, and there are too many of them. Quoting verses from faith-based books as if they were somehow irresistible magic spells does nothing to convince us of their alleged validity.
Wish you could have been a little more tactful in making that statement.
Yes, but I could not have been any more truthful.
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Show some respect.
Respect for what? A book? It has no feelings, being an inanimate object. Fallacious beliefs in myths and legends? Don't make me laugh. :roll:

People? Well, have a good evening, then. May you sleep safe and well. :D


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