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30 Jun 2016, 10:35 am

I believe we should keep Russia and China at arm's length. I really do.

Make nice with them---but never trust them.



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30 Jun 2016, 10:44 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I believe we should keep Russia and China at arm's length. I really do.

Make nice with them---but never trust them.


China and Russia are the only countries in the world that pose a little bit of a threat to US hegemony and having a healthy strong relationship with the two would do more for world peace than any policy. We need Russia, we need China, we have shared common interests particularly when it comes to security and energy so I believe things can be better. Europe's opinion on things are really irrelevant especially now without the UK. Once France is out of the EU we can just start referring to the political union as 'Germany'.

A good relationship with the US, Russia, and China means the threat of nuclear annihilation is nil and maybe arms reductions is even possible.



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30 Jun 2016, 10:56 am

Jacoby wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I believe we should keep Russia and China at arm's length. I really do.

Make nice with them---but never trust them.


China and Russia are the only countries in the world that pose a little bit of a threat to US hegemony and having a healthy strong relationship with the two would do more for world peace than any policy. We need Russia, we need China, we have shared common interests particularly when it comes to security and energy so I believe things can be better. Europe's opinion on things are really irrelevant especially now without the UK. Once France is out of the EU we can just start referring to the political union as 'Germany'.

A good relationship with the US, Russia, and China means the threat of nuclear annihilation is nil and maybe arms reductions is even possible.

The same China that undercuts our currency making a moderate deficit into a humongous one? Or the Russia that's counter-acted every move we've tried to make to create stability in the Middle East? Thank you, but no thanks. Besides, Russia would never go along, Putin has much more to gain by using us as a foil for his own internal politics than anything he could gain internationally-- you can't wield power internationally if you're not the head of your own nation anymore.



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30 Jun 2016, 11:03 am

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China and Russia are the only countries in the world that pose a little bit of a threat to US hegemony and having a healthy strong relationship with the two would do more for world peace than any policy. We need Russia, we need China, we have shared common interests particularly when it comes to security and energy so I believe things can be better. Europe's opinion on things are really irrelevant especially now without the UK. Once France is out of the EU we can just start referring to the political union as 'Germany'.

A good relationship with the US, Russia, and China means the threat of nuclear annihilation is nil and maybe arms reductions is even possible.

The same China that undercuts our currency making a moderate deficit into a humongous one? Or the Russia that's counter-acted every move we've tried to make to create stability in the Middle East? Thank you, but no thanks. Besides, Russia would never go along, Putin has much more to gain by using us as a foil for his own internal politics than anything he could gain internationally-- you can't wield power internationally if you're not the head of your own nation anymore.


Continuing the policy of treating foreign policy of as a chessgame for global hegemony will lead us to even more troubling waters, having a president that actually can have good relations with with Russia and China is exactly what we need to address those issues especially when it comes to combating Islamic jihad which all three of our nations must face.

Whether or not some spoiled brat like Justin Trudeau who gets to play Prime Minister for a few years in Canada likes the US really isn't my concern

Europe is waking up, they will have leaders worthy of their titles eventually



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30 Jun 2016, 11:08 am

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Continuing the policy of treating foreign policy of as a chessgame for global hegemony will lead us to even more troubling waters, having a president that actually can have good relations with with Russia and China is exactly what we need to address those issues especially when it comes to combating Islamic jihad which all three of our nations must face.


Good, we can work with them on extremism. That's as far as I'm willing to go, and you know what we've been talking with the Russians about this issue since 2001 and Bush II followed by Obama negotiating. The end result: the Russians don't give a s**t, if they can make us look bad they will. The Russian people are fine, but the hegemony that rules their country that you want to negotiate with is not. I'm much more willing to be allies with the democracies of the west than the dictator in Russia and the oligarchy in China.



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30 Jun 2016, 11:19 am

Jacoby wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I believe we should keep Russia and China at arm's length. I really do.

Make nice with them---but never trust them.


China and Russia are the only countries in the world that pose a little bit of a threat to US hegemony and having a healthy strong relationship with the two would do more for world peace than any policy. We need Russia, we need China, we have shared common interests particularly when it comes to security and energy so I believe things can be better. Europe's opinion on things are really irrelevant especially now without the UK. Once France is out of the EU we can just start referring to the political union as 'Germany'.

A good relationship with the US, Russia, and China means the threat of nuclear annihilation is nil and maybe arms reductions is even possible.

That bit in bold is the key point.

Why would Russia or China ever cooperate in maintaining American hegemony?

Do you even know what hegemony means?

...because it does not appear so...


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30 Jun 2016, 11:21 am

Aristophanes wrote:
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Continuing the policy of treating foreign policy of as a chessgame for global hegemony will lead us to even more troubling waters, having a president that actually can have good relations with with Russia and China is exactly what we need to address those issues especially when it comes to combating Islamic jihad which all three of our nations must face.


Good, we can work with them on extremism. That's as far as I'm willing to go, and you know what we've been talking with the Russians about this issue since 2001 and Bush II followed by Obama negotiating. The end result: the Russians don't give a s**t, if they can make us look bad they will. The Russian people are fine, but the hegemony that rules their country that you want to negotiate with is not. I'm much more willing to be allies with the democracies of the west than the dictator in Russia and the oligarchy in China.


We need to stop entangling our alliances with terrorist nations like Saudi Arabia, Russia understands this and China is very weary of the Wahhabi strain of Islam finding its way to its domestic Muslim population. Russia is a democracy, Putin is the leader of Russian and enjoys much broader support than any American politician. Russia and China are the key to controlling Iran, it would make the world a much safer place rather the policy of brinkmanship and proxy war with our "enemies". A lot of our so called allies in the middle east seem a lot more like enemies to me.



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30 Jun 2016, 11:23 am

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Jacoby wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I believe we should keep Russia and China at arm's length. I really do.

Make nice with them---but never trust them.


China and Russia are the only countries in the world that pose a little bit of a threat to US hegemony and having a healthy strong relationship with the two would do more for world peace than any policy. We need Russia, we need China, we have shared common interests particularly when it comes to security and energy so I believe things can be better. Europe's opinion on things are really irrelevant especially now without the UK. Once France is out of the EU we can just start referring to the political union as 'Germany'.

A good relationship with the US, Russia, and China means the threat of nuclear annihilation is nil and maybe arms reductions is even possible.

That bit in bold is the key point.

Why would Russia or China ever cooperate in maintaining American hegemony?

Do you even know what hegemony means?

...because it does not appear so...


Maybe I do not care about maintaining global US hegemony, I pretty clearly state that I support an opening of relations with Russia



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30 Jun 2016, 11:39 am

Jacoby wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I believe we should keep Russia and China at arm's length. I really do.

Make nice with them---but never trust them.


China and Russia are the only countries in the world that pose a little bit of a threat to US hegemony and having a healthy strong relationship with the two would do more for world peace than any policy. We need Russia, we need China, we have shared common interests particularly when it comes to security and energy so I believe things can be better. Europe's opinion on things are really irrelevant especially now without the UK. Once France is out of the EU we can just start referring to the political union as 'Germany'.

A good relationship with the US, Russia, and China means the threat of nuclear annihilation is nil and maybe arms reductions is even possible.

That bit in bold is the key point.

Why would Russia or China ever cooperate in maintaining American hegemony?

Do you even know what hegemony means?

...because it does not appear so...


Maybe I do not care about maintaining global US hegemony, I pretty clearly state that I support an opening of relations with Russia

So, you want to make Russia great again?
:?


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30 Jun 2016, 11:48 am

GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
GoonSquad wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I believe we should keep Russia and China at arm's length. I really do.

Make nice with them---but never trust them.


China and Russia are the only countries in the world that pose a little bit of a threat to US hegemony and having a healthy strong relationship with the two would do more for world peace than any policy. We need Russia, we need China, we have shared common interests particularly when it comes to security and energy so I believe things can be better. Europe's opinion on things are really irrelevant especially now without the UK. Once France is out of the EU we can just start referring to the political union as 'Germany'.

A good relationship with the US, Russia, and China means the threat of nuclear annihilation is nil and maybe arms reductions is even possible.

That bit in bold is the key point.

Why would Russia or China ever cooperate in maintaining American hegemony?

Do you even know what hegemony means?

...because it does not appear so...


Maybe I do not care about maintaining global US hegemony, I pretty clearly state that I support an opening of relations with Russia

So, you want to make Russia great again?
:?


We can be great together

it is the only way to combat Islamic extremism, there is so much we can work on when it comes to energy as well

the Russians have been ready to work with us for decades but the US has wanted to pound the corpse of the Soviet Union into the ground awhile longer.

they're a better ally as an 'enemy' than our actual allies like Saudi Arabia and Turkey

no cold war 2.0



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30 Jun 2016, 12:34 pm

So, Jacoby, you'll notice that the countries which care about America don't like Trump, and the countries which want America to be weak also want Trump to be President. Do you think that is a coincidence?

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These results are more a function of how Obama, Clinton, and Trump are regarded (and so portrayed) by the global media elite than anything else.

Global media elite? :lol: This is 2016, people don't get their news from Richard Murdoch any more!

These results are a function of the way Clinton, Obama, and Trump act, the things they do, the things they say. Videos of Trump saying racist things get shared over the internet. Tweets get retweeted across the universe. The news media react to that, not the other way around. The candidates shape their own image.

The reason we don't like Trump isn't because we've been tricked into thinking he's a horrible person. It's because he's a horrible person.



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30 Jun 2016, 1:01 pm

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So, Jacoby, you'll notice that the countries which care about America don't like Trump, and the countries which want America to be weak also want Trump to be President. Do you think that is a coincidence?


The countries that "dislike" Trump(an even bigger media caricature version of what he is here) are invested in the status quo, they want what the globalists want and fear what their media tells them to fear. Trump is quintessentially American, he is not internationalist and he will be a leader for America not the entire 'free world', you lead by example not by making alliances and waging proxy wars against each other. Trump is simply the only candidate that has offered any alternative to our foreign policy establishment which is as extremist as it gets, Trump is the only candidate that will truly oppose these so called 'free trade agreements' which have only stolen millions of American jobs, Trump wouldn't of let China into the WTO, Trump is either just a smarter person or not beholden to the special interests.

The UK hates Trump so much they voted to leave the European Union, they hate Trump so much that the guy spearheading the Leave campaign look like a low rent knock off. France hates Trump so much that Marine Le Pen will win the 1st round of the French presidential elections no question, the Netherlands hates Trump so much that Geert Wilders could be the next Prime Minister of the Netherlands, even the Germans are starting to grumble, I'm really not too concerned since the issues effecting America are effecting Europe as well and populism is just as popular over there as it is over here. We'll find friends when we look for them, this is just a snapshot. Our politics has moved to one of the nation state versus undemocratic globalist elite, the globalists want war on Russia for some reason.



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01 Jul 2016, 5:26 am

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Putin is against globalism, Trump is against globalism, Britain just voted to exit the EU. I don't trust how the media portrays anyone, let alone Putin. After all, like I said Putin is against globalism; ex-KGB or not.

Why is Russia in Eurasian Economic Union then? Putin is only against a western view of globalism.

Besides, Trump would have a hard time negotiating with a man who deals with rich oligarchs on a daily basis.



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01 Jul 2016, 7:03 am

Putin would see Trump as being a marionette who can be manipulated by will (through flattery!)



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01 Jul 2016, 8:03 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Putin would see Trump as being a marionette who can be manipulated by will (through flattery!)

Through flattery and a skyscraper in Moscow :)



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01 Jul 2016, 9:11 am

314pe wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Putin would see Trump as being a marionette who can be manipulated by will (through flattery!)

Through flattery and a skyscraper in Moscow :)

Trump would NEVER be a marionette!

He'd be Putin's butt puppet.


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