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The_Blonde_Alien
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08 Jul 2016, 11:55 pm

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"Prestigious"?

English is your second language, and thats probably not the exact word you're looking for.

Being knighted by the Queen of England is a "prestigious" honor.

Maybe you meant "complex and sophisticated"? Or "complex and subtle'?


Yup. That's what I meant. Sorry about that... :|


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14 Jul 2016, 5:23 pm

The phrase "God is dead" first appeared in The Gay Science, in the section titled "The madman."

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THE MADMAN----Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly: "I seek God! I seek God!"---As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter. Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated?---Thus they yelled and laughed

The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes. "Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him---you and I. All of us are his murderers. But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.

"How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us---for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto."

Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out. "I have come too early," he said then; "my time is not yet. This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time; the light of the stars requires time; deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars---and yet they have done it themselves.

It has been related further that on the same day the madman forced his way into several churches and there struck up his requiem aeternam deo. Led out and called to account, he is said always to have replied nothing but: "What after all are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchers of God?"

The atheists laugh at the madman who is seeking God. They mockingly respond: "Has he [God] got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated?"

We've unchained the earth from its sun, which represents light and the center around which the world has revolved; the center being God. We're moving away into the infinite nothing, existential meaninglessness, nihilism. There is no longer any moral foundation.

God is (still) alive to the atheists, to whom the madman is speaking. When the madman has given his account, the atheists are silent and stare at him in astonishment.


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15 Jul 2016, 2:47 am

God is dead in the Nietzschean sense means that modern society no longer requires belief and therefore increased shedding of religion was and still is observable. Atheism is the fastest growing demographic in the developed world, followed by agnosticism, new religion and islam.



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07 Oct 2016, 11:19 am

The_Blonde_Alien wrote:
**WARNING: the following text is written purely for the sole purpse to expess the opinions and views of the author. If you are easily offended by any sort of cristicism towards your religious beliefs please turn away now! You are NOT the target audiece for this thread. You have been warned.**


I am offended that people like you expect me to ignore this when every type of criticism is okay towards religious beliefs. I respect your beliefs but where is the line between offensive and criticism? Is this post offensive? Why and why not? If I made a thread and said that Muslims are misled and are lost and we should pray for them but included a warning that they are not the target audience, would my thread be offensive?

Do you feel this warning makes you less offensive?



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07 Oct 2016, 1:25 pm

Let's try to be more tolerant of others and not be so easily offended. The best policy is simply not to click on threads where the title sounds like something which would upset or offend you.

Freedom of expression seems to be walking a thin line at times. Threads which descend into arguments ans insults are generally locked as they then start infringing the rules. But we should be able to have a mature debate without getting personal.

Regarding your question I think such a thing would probably cause some degree of offence and is better as a personal idea / belief - in other words you're welcome to pray for them and believe they may be misled. But such a thread would be more appropriate to a Christian forum on a Christian website rather than one which is visited by folk from all belief (or unbelief) systems.


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07 Oct 2016, 1:51 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
Let's try to be more tolerant of others and not be so easily offended. The best policy is simply not to click on threads where the title sounds like something which would upset or offend you.

Freedom of expression seems to be walking a thin line at times. Threads which descend into arguments ans insults are generally locked as they then start infringing the rules. But we should be able to have a mature debate without getting personal.

Regarding your question I think such a thing would probably cause some degree of offence and is better as a personal idea / belief - in other words you're welcome to pray for them and believe they may be misled. But such a thread would be more appropriate to a Christian forum on a Christian website rather than one which is visited by folk from all belief (or unbelief) systems.


Cool beans,

I agree with everything you said and was more or less the point I was making,

I purpose to stop clicking on harmless threads that will trigger me if everyone will stay out my harmless threads that will trigger them.