Is BLM really talking about black-on-black crime?

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Yeah I'm done with my complaints on the police, it's the one topic that actually makes my blood boil. But this topic is mainly about BLM, so I'll let you guys get back to that-- not just to stay on topic, but for my own physical health.

If Black Live Matter doesn't talk enough about black on black crime, it's because criminals aren't doing anything unexpected, while no one should have to be afraid that they will be unfairly hassled or even killed by the police, and yet black Americans are.

So you are telling me you think it's expected that an insane number of black people kill other black people? No one should have to be afraid of another black man shooting them in the face or stabbing them to death, and that happens way more than it does with police. So we accept it when black people do it, but not with white people? Doesn't that seem a little bit racist to you?

The issue is being addressed by black leaders even if it is not Black Lives Matters' primary focus.

I think a less authoritarian approach to policing would help reduce crime on both ends. This is just one factor that contributes to violence. Violent police produce violent citizens (and perhaps vice versa ???)

As a white person I don't really feel like I can effect much change in the black community. I have more leeway in criticizing police thugs. If I were black I might feel more compelled to address the black-on-black problem. I'm guessing that black people don't like being told by Rudy Giuliani that they need to get their act together and that they should stop blaming police. Talk about poor communicative strategy. This argument goes round and round to infinity.

I sort of wish we would stop labeling people as racist and instead just label them as a**holes. People get really defensive when they are accused of being racist. I dont think it helps anything. I prefer to just say "that cop is being an a**hole." Anyway authoritiarianism is the problem in my view. Some police go crazy if you don't show them their due respect. "I'm sorry officer but I don't respect you just because you have a badge." I've come close to saying that to an officer but I didn't want to be attacked. Police can not stand having their authority challenged. So when you have two groups of people that deeply disrespect each other they are both at risk. The way to reduce violence is to over the long term increase mutual respect. Police should be focused on (and even gettig joy out of) protecting and helping their citizens. It shouldn't be about meeting a monthly arrest quota.

No, what I'm saying is, black Americans shouldn't have to feel as afraid of law enforcement as they do of criminals. That's why Black Lives Matter emphasize cop on black violence, rather than black on black violence.

Even though black-on-black violence is way more common than unjustified police violence? It's the leading cause of death in young black males! They shouldn't have to feel afraid of law enforcement or criminals; and the fact is a huge number of black people are killing each other. Cops, not so much. A black male is insanely more likely to get killed by another black man than he is by a cop.

So they should just accept this extraordinary rate of violence as normal, or blame it on white supremacy, and not talk about it? Because supposedly people being afraid of all the violent criminals is acceptable and that shouldn't be brought up, but if it's law enforcement then we should hold them all responsible and demonize them? Police officers who murder people are criminals! And a far smaller percentage of them are criminals compared to those in the black community.

What you are saying makes no sense. One of these is clearly a much bigger threat to their community as a whole, and yet BLM wants to talk about police anyway because, "We shouldn't have to feel this way around law enforcement!" Yeah, you shouldn't have to feel that way around other black people either.

Why should they be? They're an organization dedicated to a very specific issue, not the general welfare of the black community, there's no reason for them to dilute their focus. Having said that, I have to say I'm turned off by a lot of their platform that doesn't focus on police reform, if anything they should narrow their area of activism solely to fixing law enforcement.

No s**t, they'd have a much more cohesive agenda, and even white people could get on board with that (as my previous posts here allude to). Damn i hate when we agree.

Edit: typo.

Again, because blacks shouldn't have to be afraid of those who are supposed to protect everyone, but are. Just because us whites aren't afraid of cops doesn't mean that the black experience isn't different, or is that their fear of police harassment is somehow phony or unjustified.

I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt here - despite the deplorable concern trolling - and assume that by putting the quotation marks around "white rights" you're alluding to something other than "rights" for "whites".

I might even be willing to accept that I can be an advocate for the rights of white people without being an advocate for "white rights" if you can satisfactorily justify a qualifying difference between the two. Care to have a go?



Who is responsible for the culture that's bred the enmity between police and black communities? Can you single out a root cause?



Just because you aren't afraid of cops doesn't mean that other white people share your experiences.

It isn't a question of whether the fear is justified, it's a matter of to what degree it is. Holmes has raised some oft-ignored data regarding the genuinely endemic problem of black on black violence in America. I'm of the opinion that examining the underlying causes of crime and unrest in black communities is of far more value than demonising cops.

No one is saying black on black violence isn't a problem, but Black Lives Matter is focusing attention on violence perpetrated by those who are supposed to protect them, and that's the difference.
And while I don't doubt there are whites who are afraid of cops, that doesn't diminish the fear blacks have for them.

It's more than just cops KILLING blacks.

It's subjecting them to investigations on the street, in front of a crowd, thereby embarrassing them.

Lots of times, these "investigations" occur when they just get off work. Many times, these people being "investigated" are working for a living, and to raise kids. They have no time to be committing crimes. They only fit some sort of "profile."

I've been subjected to a few of these myself--and I'm white. They usually only occur in "black" neighborhoods. I was in a "black" neighborhoods the few times I was subjected to this.

It's embarrassing to be "investigated" in front of a crowd of people; this crowd probably doesn't give you the benefit of the doubt--and assumes that you're a criminal.

I am one, like I've said many times, who has no objection to police. However, there are times when the police must be policed. There are times when the bad apples must be expelled from the tree.

So what you are saying is, it's fine that they feel afraid of a massive crime problem, but not if they feel afraid of the police, because the police are supposed to be protectors, while criminals in the black community are supposed to be criminals. Yes, I get it. That still makes no sense. Do you see why I think that seems racist? There SHOULD NOT be this massive crime problem, even if it's in the black community. You seem to be implying that the extreme crime rates are to be expected from the black community, and so you are coming to their defense. Why are you defending them? Why are you minimizing the actions of criminals?

But even so, should or should not is subjective. If you take the objective view, you realize that much more harm is being done to the black community as a whole because of problems that exist largely within the community. No, I'm not trying to blame or invalidate anyone, I'm saying that these people should be taking responsibility for the welfare of their own community instead of pointing the finger at white police.

Imagine you lived in a ghetto as a single black mom with a son. Would you be more afraid of your son getting shot by police walking out of a Starbucks, or more afraid of him getting shot in the crossfire of a drive-by, or becoming involved in a gang or other criminal activities? I've never lived in such a community myself, but according to people I've talked to that have and according to statistics, it seems that one of those fears is a lot more rational than the other.

And yet you're saying that the police take priority, simply because as a matter of principle you should NEVER have to fear a police officer. That's subjective crap. The focus should be on the bigger threat, and the fact is that black-on-black crime is an immensely bigger problem than unjustified police violence. Yes, that's still a problem, but the world can't be perfect, and sometimes you have to prioritize your focus.

(Sigh) No, that's not I'm saying, but I think you know that. Black Americans have every reason to be afraid of crime, but they're also afraid of the police, and they shouldn't have to be afraid of the latter.

That's like saying white Americans shouldn't talk about terrorism or ISIS since so many white Americans kill each other in high schools, elementary schools, colleges, movie theaters, biker shootouts, etc. Focus on white-on-white crime instead of terrorism!! !

And what about all the blacks who kill blacks? They are often innocent black people who were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time; they are not always other criminals. And even many of the criminals who get killed were in some way driven to commit those crimes out of necessity. But those people are dead. More of them will die today. Many more than will be killed unjustifiably by the police, I'm sure.

I understand the sentiment that a higher standard is expected from police, but that does not justify the level of focused attention that is being given to racist white police, who make up a tiny fraction of a percentage of the police organization. It is completely unacceptable. Even if BLM got everything they're asking for, much of the black community would still be in the same sh***y situation it's in now, if not worse. Many more black people are dying because they were shot in self-defense by police or were killed by other black people. There are relatively very few cases of unjustified shootings by police. So if the police get defunded like BLM wants, do you think black crime will increase or decrease? Do you think police will feel more or less safe in black neighborhoods?

BLM is going to f**k things up royally if people keep letting them have their way.