Anyone still believes Putin isn't tampering US elections?

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27 Jul 2016, 5:40 pm

Putin and Trump seem to be decent friends, so the only people that dont believe Putin isnt tampering- Trump supporters and ignorant people, oh wait.. that's the same thing basically.

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27 Jul 2016, 5:43 pm

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Putin and Trump seem to be decent friends, so the only people that dont believe Putin isnt tampering- Trump supporters and ignorant people, oh wait.. that's the same thing basically.

You believe anything the media spinmasters say, sad! Let me just say I am much much smarter than you. :mrgreen:

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27 Jul 2016, 5:44 pm

Two days ago I was pretty heavily on Jill Stein's side, but the more I read superfluous arguments from certain posters, I now know I don't have that luxury. As much as I want to vote for what I believe, it's my responsibility as an informed and active citizen to vote against ignorance.

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27 Jul 2016, 5:47 pm

This is rather troubling....Do you feel Trump actually directly ASKED the Russians to hack the prospective DNC chairperson?

Reagan would be rolling in his grade!

Why does anybody trust Putin, who is ex KGB?

Trump is really getting foot-in-mouth disease.

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27 Jul 2016, 6:02 pm

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Completely baseless accusation.

Distracting everybody with fear mongering about Russia is not going to distract from the content of those emails, they still say what they say.

I do not care what means were taken to get this information, I care about the truths revealed just as I did with all Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, and Bradley Manning's revelations. Nobody seemed to have a problem with them until it revealed some embarrassing information about the Democrats and Hillary Clinton, boo hoo!

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27 Jul 2016, 6:10 pm

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Hillary is a scumbag, you won't find too many people that are voting for her that would disagree in private, but she's not an ignorant scumbag which is the other option, and thus they'll vote for her.

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27 Jul 2016, 6:14 pm

I still think it's a dangerous game to be courting Putin. Very dangerous.

Especially because of the nuclear aspect of things.

There was a cartoon in the NY Daily News which had Putin "riding" the horse named Trump. Putin said "Giddyupski."

There is potential for manipulation on the part of that wizened old KGB person. That's scary.

Especially because of the nuclear aspect of things.

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27 Jul 2016, 6:21 pm

Peace between the US and Russia would be the greatest thing to ever happen for world peace, we could actually reduce the stockpile on nuclear weapons with a Russian ally. The US and Russia have like over 90% of the nuclear weapons stockpiled in the world, peace can only be a good thing! How is Russia worse than Saudi Arabia or Turkey? What have they done so bad?

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27 Jul 2016, 6:24 pm

Basically, the Russians are the only power that could annihilate us through their use of nuclear weapons. And they have threatened to do so in the past.

If Gorbachev would have remained in power, and gently demantled the Soviet system (like F.W. De Klerk demantled the Apartheid system in South Africa), I don't think we'd be in this situation.

Even though he was Soviet, I would rather have dealt with Gorbachev than Putin....any day.

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27 Jul 2016, 6:29 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Basically, the Russians are the only power that could annihilate us through their use of nuclear weapons. And they have threatened to do so in the past.

Do making peace with them makes a lot of sense don't you think?

We share a common enemy and need each other, what has Russia done so bad that we can't work together?

The truth is that ISIS and al-Qaeda were on the government payroll in Libya/Syria and there are some traitors in our government that are very afraid of that obvious fact being revealed. They want us forever chasing ghosts, waging a forever war with no intention of ever ending or being won. This is the military industrial complex.

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27 Jul 2016, 6:29 pm

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Trump can, obviously, never be subtle... and encouraging Putin to hack into his rival is kind of a giveaway, right? I'd like to see the logs directly, but apparently some think the Russians didn't even try to mask themselves in any way. One would think, having the resources of a gangster state behind you, one would know about proxies and subtlety... but, of course not. Putin surely has more subtlety than his partner, but with Trump's mouth now and technical evidence it's only a matter of time until it's surely confirmed... I mean, Stuxnet was discovered, but only after specific investigation... and so, will people support Putin's tampering?

Is there any indication that the Russians can fiddle with the vote count?

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27 Jul 2016, 6:31 pm

Let's hope not LOL

You never know these days!

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27 Jul 2016, 6:47 pm

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It probably is not legally treason as we are not in a war with Russia by in my view what Trump did was morally treason. We put Jonathan Pollard in prison for decades for stealing information from us for an ally. How is advocating a competitor steal information from us morally better?

It wouldn't be better. It's a good thing that's not what happened.

"They probably have her 33,000 e-mails. I hope they do. They probably have her 33,000 e-mails that she lost and deleted because you'd see some beauties there. So let's see,"

"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press."

The reality is that he opined Russia already has the 33,000 emails that Hillary Clinton erased so the FBI couldn't see them. He then said the U.S. media would probably "reward" Russia for disclosing them. Every bit of that is probably true.

What he did NOT say is that Russia should continue hacking U.S. politicians.

I know we are autistics here but politicians send signals to each other using as indirect language as possible. There is the issue of if Trump had said "I think you have the emails but if you do not have the emails get them release them and when I am President I will give you a more favorable deal" he might face prosecution. There not to many people that have read about politics a lot or have been business world that does not understand what was meant here. Trump is a master markerter and a lot of marketing involves sending these indirect signals.

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27 Jul 2016, 6:49 pm

I don't like this dalliance with Putin one bit.

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27 Jul 2016, 6:50 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

I don't like this dalliance with Putin one bit.

Do you like 'dalliance' with Saudi Arabia?

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27 Jul 2016, 6:58 pm

Jacoby wrote:

Do you like 'dalliance' with Saudi Arabia?

The same Saudi's that bailed out Trump?
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Right Wing Breitbart Article here

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