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04 Aug 2016, 10:44 am

I read John Paul II's biography. I wish there were more Popes like him. He lived an admirable life, and a life filled with responding to real people, rather than merely responding to ideas.

The present guy is pretty good, too.



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04 Aug 2016, 1:51 pm

I am irritated with some of his ignorant comments.


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04 Aug 2016, 2:19 pm

AnaHitori wrote:
I am irritated with some of his ignorant comments.


Which "he" are you referring to?

Pope Francis? Or to one of the other two popes folks on this thread have been talking about?



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04 Aug 2016, 2:26 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
AnaHitori wrote:
I am irritated with some of his ignorant comments.


Which "he" are you referring to?

Pope Francis? Or to one of the other two popes folks on this thread have been talking about?


Pope Francis.


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04 Aug 2016, 4:15 pm

AnaHitori wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
AnaHitori wrote:
I am irritated with some of his ignorant comments.


Which "he" are you referring to?

Pope Francis? Or to one of the other two popes folks on this thread have been talking about?


Pope Francis.


What ignorant comments has he made?



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04 Aug 2016, 4:24 pm

I think's he's okay. I'm glad he addressed issues such as climate change, accepting gay people etc. I have a problem with him thinking that people who choose to be single are selfish and deny women leadership while at the same time allowing the patriarchal Catholic Church dictating their bodily anatomy. I don't know what to think of him since I'm no longer Catholic.



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04 Aug 2016, 6:30 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
What ignorant comments has he made?


Comments that are offensive to LGBT+ people.

For example: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /87956794/


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04 Aug 2016, 6:35 pm

Francis is much better about gay issues than all the previous Popes combined.



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04 Aug 2016, 6:55 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Francis is much better about gay issues than all the previous Popes combined.


That's good, at least.


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05 Aug 2016, 1:04 am

AnaHitori wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
What ignorant comments has he made?


Comments that are offensive to LGBT+ people.

For example: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /87956794/


How is "you don't choose your gender" offensive to LGBT-people? I though the whole idea of (at least the trans-bit) of it was that it isn't a choice?


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05 Aug 2016, 8:27 pm

Wolfram87 wrote:
AnaHitori wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
What ignorant comments has he made?


Comments that are offensive to LGBT+ people.

For example: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/worl ... /87956794/


How is "you don't choose your gender" offensive to LGBT-people? I though the whole idea of (at least the trans-bit) of it was that it isn't a choice?


He's misunderstanding it. He thinks people are choosing to be transgender just to be rebellious or something. He's right that people don't choose their gender, though.


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05 Aug 2016, 8:45 pm

^^

I think that's part and parcel with any of the dogmatic traditions; they have books from godknowswhen saying godknowswhat (we can pick bits and pieces and cite what previous traditions came from - the rest it made sense to the author/s first and foremost), and they're literally strapped into this. No pope will ever have the leeway to be progressive with LGBT with Leviticus and Deuteronomy, no Ayatollah will ever be able to with the jurisprudence of the Hadith. They're roped into deposits set fifteen hundred to twenty-five hundred years earlier at this point and all they can do is play the politics.

The thing that bothers me the most about the modern era is that we seem to have no concept of what it is to utilize symbolism to seduce the public imagination in a positive way - in a way that captures the best of science with the best of humanism with the best of human aspiration. True, a few have tried (for example Aleister Crowley with Thelema or H Spencer Lewis with AMORC) but for whatever reason no one seems to understand what the function is of elevating and rallying around a symbol. The closest things we have to that are sports emblems, it's a bit depressing really.


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05 Aug 2016, 9:25 pm

You can't ask a Pope to stop being Catholic.

All I ask is for him to do his best to nudge the behemoth of the Catholic church tiny little bit in the right direction. And thats exactly what he has been doing so far. So he gets my applause.



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07 Aug 2016, 5:28 pm

He's a great religious leader who's able to connect with people.


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07 Aug 2016, 7:54 pm

I'm just worried about the publicity that he's been receiving. Where I live in the US, the republican party has been on life support lately, his positive publicity from more liberal groups will probably alienate their voters even more. I don't want to talk about it, really. Conservatives here like to swear that they are genuinely more accepting than liberals, but remember Hitler used his orator powers to say things that weren't true and got away with it.

I feel so embarrassed and angry because I have to listen to especially dad grunt about liberal politics all the time, even taking Pope Francis' liberalism very seriously. I won't be surprised if he wished ill on the pope to be honest, considering the way he acts about stuff.

I'm sick of these people like my dad comparing communism/socialism to Canada. Why can't he move there?



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13 Sep 2016, 4:13 pm

as a American Protestant of Anglo-Scottish origin I think he is another one of those liberation theology hypocrites who wants to extent Papal tyranny on a nation who's heritage is rooted in the reformation and enlightenment.

The Roman Empire's lust for power never ended in collapse it simple put on the clergyman's robe and its name in order to deceive the ignorant masses.

I do however have Catholic relatives and have nothing against individual Catholics only their church.


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