I bought a Bible .
I think the answer depends on the translation of the word "almah" in Isaiah 7:14. From Wikipedia <snipped>:
"Isaiah 7:14 says that a virgin will bear a son. The problem is "with the Hebrew word for virgin, which is almah. According to the Strong's Concordance it means, "virgin, young woman 1a) of marriageable age 1b) maid or newly married. Therefore, the word almah doesn't always mean virgin."
But then, the Septuagint (per Semitics scholar Dr. Cyrus Gordon) says something else:
"The commonly held view that "virgin" is Christian, whereas "young woman" is Jewish is not quite true. The fact is that the Septuagint, which is the Jewish translation made in pre-Christian Alexandria, takes almah to mean "virgin" here. Accordingly, the New Testament follows Jewish interpretation in Isaiah 7:14. Therefore, the New Testament rendering of almah as "virgin" for Isaiah 7:14 rests on the older Jewish interpretation, which in turn is now borne out for precisely this annunciation formula by a text that is not only pre-Isaianic but is pre-Mosaic in the form that we now have it on a clay tablet."
I don't presume to decide for centuries of scholars, but it looks like "virgin" was the original intention, if I'm to rely on modern translations of ancient scholars, which I'd rather not.
You're obviously a very smart woman....who has scholarly proclivities.
There's no sarcasm in what I'm saying.
I wonder if the Hebrew term you mentioned could have evolved from meaning "virgin" during pre-Christian days, to having a more generic "young woman" meaning by Jesus' time.
I wouldn't think this is so, though. It seems to me that, in the evolution of language, that the generic term more frequently becomes more specific as time proceeds.
...Yeah , bieifly , I am operating on the theory that all of the stuff in my room " using " areas (which I do think are safe there) are not " for keeps " , to be thrown out some day ~ Including that Bible .
I have thought of getting a storage place spot ~ I have thought of getting a PO box , USPO or private , but that would be , if less than the storage , an especially large initial month's expense .
I have no bank account , either , not enough money to put aside right now in one - and ,
I even had that crappy Green Dot ATM card stolen from me - aside from the money in it being stolen , I now have no way , whatever its dodginess , to even put money in the Green Dot , to get a new card I'd have to outlay money to buy one and initially put $ in it
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...I have more to say abouy religious feelings/church stuff - Not really time now
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
There's no sarcasm in what I'm saying.
I wonder if the Hebrew term you mentioned could have evolved from meaning "virgin" during pre-Christian days, to having a more generic "young woman" meaning by Jesus' time.
I wouldn't think this is so, though. It seems to me that, in the evolution of language, that the generic term more frequently becomes more specific as time proceeds.
Yes, I am, and Mom wouldn't let me go to university because "you need to learn to type." But I try not to be tiresome.
This "virgin" business matters a lot to RC's like me. The Church hangs so much nonsense on it. If it had been resolved, I guess I'd have heard by now. They're still having hysterics over the idea that he had a brother.
...Just like I didn't get to , ever , " go away to college "/do it full-fledged myself
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There's no sarcasm in what I'm saying.
I wonder if the Hebrew term you mentioned could have evolved from meaning "virgin" during pre-Christian days, to having a more generic "young woman" meaning by Jesus' time.
I wouldn't think this is so, though. It seems to me that, in the evolution of language, that the generic term more frequently becomes more specific as time proceeds.
Yes, I am, and Mom wouldn't let me go to university because "you need to learn to type." But I try not to be tiresome.
This "virgin" business matters a lot to RC's like me. The Church hangs so much nonsense on it. If it had been resolved, I guess I'd have heard by now. They're still having hysterics over the idea that he had a brother.
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
When it comes to interpreting the bible, I think the bible itself gives the gold standard.
Especially 1 Corinthians.
I think Love is the best guiding light for correct understanding of scripture.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... n=PHILLIPS
Also worth watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDCJo5lfI1U
Especially 1 Corinthians.
I think Love is the best guiding light for correct understanding of scripture.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... n=PHILLIPS
Also worth watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDCJo5lfI1U
Exactly!
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Especially 1 Corinthians.
I think Love is the best guiding light for correct understanding of scripture.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... n=PHILLIPS
Also worth watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDCJo5lfI1U
The Hebrew Scriptures and the Gospels are shot through with contradictions, just plan non-factual assertions and non-sequitors. How can anything so defective be a gold standard? There is no possible way a human mind can entertain two contradictory assertions at the same time.
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...Spice and AU see much meaning and comfort in the Bible , Baal finds it to me puzzling and no meaning for him - People certainly see it differently .
Myself , I get into a " be a praying man/put myself in God's reins-yoke " mood - Then , I read something at random , and perhaps it's another " the israelites do wrong , so YHWH announces , ' I will send you into the wilderness and you will despair and taste bitter thorns , but after three generations you will be brought back ' " story - etcetera .
And what did that fig tree ever do to Jesus ?
However , I am perhaps " expressing doubt , wrestling with faith " here .
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
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Haha! I thought this, too. But, after thinking about it, it is a parable. Truth is, fruit trees do become barren and no longer produce. Of course, they will continue to live if watered, but they yield nothing. So, if a person behaves that way (take, take, take but no give), it would be good advice to avoid them, too.
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...Well , it's given as a straight description , IIRC .
Haha! I thought this, too. But, after thinking about it, it is a parable. Truth is, fruit trees do become barren and no longer produce. Of course, they will continue to live if watered, but they yield nothing. So, if a person behaves that way (take, take, take but no give), it would be good advice to avoid them, too.
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
I did and do.
Sometimes I even wrestle with myself. (As seen in Superman, Star Wars and other fictional movies)
Thanks for the food for thought.
Love and prayers
My ancestor Jacob invented God-Wrestling.
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