Life is not fair so therefore life is a crime

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03 Oct 2016, 7:16 am

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Quite a bit of malarkey here. There's no "conspiracy" of elites ruling us; hierarchies are a natural evolutionary development in humans and animals and serve a social function. Nor are all rulers cruel and tyrannical.


I don't think there is a conspiracy like in the New World Order or the Illumanti. On the other hand, it is like you said "hierarchies are a natural development in humans and animals and serve a social function. A hierarchy implies that there are those at the top and those at the bottom and it has always been this way and will always be this way.

Accepting this as truth, we do have people at the top who are billonaires and who own a lot of the world's resources. This means, they do have major clout in what public policy will exist. You said "Nor are all rulers cruel and tyrannical." Well, they're still rulers and they mean to ruler.

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Life has likewise improved in many ways over the millennia; we don't regularly die from diseases anymore in developed countries.


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The economy is also an eco-system, and these elites are not genies in a bottle who can just "snap their fingers" and cure all the world's woes everytime there is an economic crisis; in fact much economic hardship is caused by people having more children than the current economy can support.


That is true that it is an eco-system. I will buy that. Yet, these rulers both official ones (president, congress, etc) and unofficial ones (like the billionaires) can and do make policies that benefit themselves and may be a detriment to us all. Even if they can't "snap their fingers and cure all of the world's woes every time there is an economic crisis..." they can and do f**k s**t up. Another thing, the constitutionalists and conservatives in our country, the USA always go after our governmental rulers but they never go after the unofficial rulers like the billionaires and those who can unoffically influence public policy in a major way just because they privately own a chunk of the world's resources no matter if it is to the world's detriment. There are no checks and balances to these unoffical rulers because to do so would violate their private property rights according to constitutional and conservative logic. Even though the constitution is a great document none of them can accept that it can be flawed and so are the authors of it.

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What I've noticed though is that people who look to the material world for happiness and point fingers and blame when they don't get what they want seem to be chronically miserable regardless of their material status, whole those who have a purpose or mission in life beyond merely sustaining their own impermanent existence on this planet find happiness and meaning even in the face of adversity, as our ancestors did when they overcame hardship so that we could take it for granted and find misery even in our comparative luxury.


I've been told this sort of BS logic before and it falls flat. Here is why. One has to look to the material world to obtain food, clothing and shelter which are the basic human needs. One either has to grow his crops or get a job to earn money first. One has to focus on the material things first. One has to be able to sustain their own impermanent existence on this planet first. One must be able to have and acquisition a certain amount of material things.

After that, one can then concentrate on the immaterial things. Wealth does not always bring one happiness is truth but poverty can and sure does cause misery. The material does count and it is true that one should not soley focus on it but one can't deny its existence and deny that one will have some need in it. Even Buddhists in their temples do wear clothes, have a temple and do eat.



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03 Oct 2016, 9:24 am

Life is NOT fair. You have to actively seek to make it "fair" for yourself.



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03 Oct 2016, 9:35 am

"Life's a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death!" --Auntie Mame (1958)

Life is, indeed, what we make it to be. I include many things in my life and I exclude things from it, too, all in the attempt to create balance and fairness.


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03 Oct 2016, 9:54 am

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Life is NOT fair. You have to actively seek to make it "fair" for yourself.


Look at human history and look at the facts? Was everyone throughout our history really able to do this?



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03 Oct 2016, 10:00 am

AspieUtah wrote:
"Life's a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death!" --Auntie Mame (1958)

Life is, indeed, what we make it to be. I include many things in my life and I exclude things from it, too, all in the attempt to create balance and fairness.


How is life what we make to be if these exist as existential constructs

a. We have the laws of time and space (e.g. physics, )

b. Laws from our given society

c. Our own Biology and genetics

d. our own experiences

e. social standards from society or life is what others make it to be

and all of these constructs and possibly others play a role. We're not like Q from star trek who has scope and power.



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03 Oct 2016, 10:13 am

cubedemon6073 wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
"Life's a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death!" --Auntie Mame (1958)

Life is, indeed, what we make it to be. I include many things in my life and I exclude things from it, too, all in the attempt to create balance and fairness.


How is life what we make to be if these exist as existential constructs

a. We have the laws of time and space (e.g. physics, )

b. Laws from our given society

c. Our own Biology and genetics

d. our own experiences

e. social standards from society or life is what others make it to be

and all of these constructs and possibly others play a role. We're not like Q from star trek who has scope and power.

I didn't realize that this topic was the Monty Python "Argument Clinic." Sorry to have involved myself.


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03 Oct 2016, 10:21 am

AspieUtah wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
"Life's a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death!" --Auntie Mame (1958)

Life is, indeed, what we make it to be. I include many things in my life and I exclude things from it, too, all in the attempt to create balance and fairness.


How is life what we make to be if these exist as existential constructs

a. We have the laws of time and space (e.g. physics, )

b. Laws from our given society

c. Our own Biology and genetics

d. our own experiences

e. social standards from society or life is what others make it to be

and all of these constructs and possibly others play a role. We're not like Q from star trek who has scope and power.

I didn't realize that this topic was the Monty Python "Argument Clinic." Sorry to have involved myself.


Well, I am asking a f*****g question. Many people have said this to me as well. To this day, it makes no sense and it is easily refutable.



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03 Oct 2016, 10:44 am

It's not life itself which is unfair, it's people in life which are.


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03 Oct 2016, 10:48 am

Most, if not all, things can be refuted in some way.

I have experienced life as "not fair." And I've tried to make it "fair" for myself.



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03 Oct 2016, 1:18 pm

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Most, if not all, things can be refuted in some way.

I have experienced life as "not fair." And I've tried to make it "fair" for myself.


Awesome



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03 Oct 2016, 1:54 pm

cubedemon6073 wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:
AspieUtah wrote:
"Life's a banquet and most poor suckers are starving to death!" --Auntie Mame (1958)

Life is, indeed, what we make it to be. I include many things in my life and I exclude things from it, too, all in the attempt to create balance and fairness.


How is life what we make to be if these exist as existential constructs

a. We have the laws of time and space (e.g. physics, )

b. Laws from our given society

c. Our own Biology and genetics

d. our own experiences

e. social standards from society or life is what others make it to be

and all of these constructs and possibly others play a role. We're not like Q from star trek who has scope and power.

I didn't realize that this topic was the Monty Python "Argument Clinic." Sorry to have involved myself.


Well, I am asking a f*****g question. Many people have said this to me as well. To this day, it makes no sense and it is easily refutable.

Well some problems are the reductive materialist view of existence being nothing more than "matter and energy", as opposed to other philosophical theories such as mathematics or logic being a more fundamental science than physics.

Likewise from a purely physicalist view, society or individuals couldn't "construct" anything, it would have had to all be pre-determined and reducible to natural laws (or else this would mean that people could some how "create" truths out of nothing) - so under this view, if one was logically consistent there would only be one objective truth which applies to everyone equally, and which is reducible to naturalistic laws such as physics.

Plus if everyone inevitably dies, how can anyone "make it" anyway - all one can do is extend their life as long as possible, but why is dying at age 80 automatically "better" than at age 50?