How long until WW3?

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Turkey directly shot down Russia fighter planes and all Russia did was sanction them. Turkey so unless say the us launched a direct massive invasion of Russia I don't see a war happening. They'll complain sanction and emand a apology at the United Nations. In the old days kid napping American citizens would have started a war, but today we just wag our finger st them and complain at un while Americans rot in labor camps. Times are different now a days.

Russia did more than that, they stepped up their support for the Kurds and intensified their campaign along the border with Turkey including completely destroying the 'Turkmen' settlements on the Syrian side of the border that the jet was shot down from. Russia began attacking oil convoys which they accused the Turks of buying alleging one of President Erdogan's sons being one of the chief architects. Economic sanctions were a big deal too, Russians visited the country more than any nationality except Germany so it was a big big blow to their tourism industry. I'm sure there were other painful sanctions too, Erdogan was already making overtures to Putin before attempted coup which rumor has it (especially if you believe alleged CIA involvement) that Russia tipped them off about it right before it went down. Erdogan blamed the US for the coup and has moved to improve relations with Russia in relatiation. There were rumblings between Armenia and Azerbaijan shortly after the downing of that jet too which are respectively Russian and Turkish proxies. Russia has other means of hurting it's enemies besides just military might, I doubt they'd ever strike first against the US. Now a 'no-fly-zone' on the part of the US over Syria as you're heard repeated by the neoconservatives in this country would mean direct confrontation with Russia.

Well at least there won't be a fourth one because there won't be anyone left to fight and no countries will be worth fighting over any more.

I'd enjoy my life a lot more if there weren't so many people and things trying to kill us.

They didn't declare war on turkey and launch a massive invasion and topple the Turkish government and declare it a part of Russia . Which was my point .

If the US attacks Russia or attempts to directly overthrow the Syrian government then I would imagine there would be a very serious response. They've talked a lot about a no-fly-zone which would amount to an air war with Russia over Syria and to be honest I'm not sure we win that fight. They would retaliate in more than just Syria too, it would be one of the worst foreign policy decisions of all time. The US does NOT want to attack Russia, this brinkmanship with them does us no good.

I thought the Kurds were our guys.

I don't know enough to say for sure, but I guess sometimes they are and sometimes they aren't.

Did anyone notice the Fallout reference joke I made in the OP? The October 23rd 2077 spiel? Fallout 3 is my favorite game right now and October 23rd 1985AD is my day of birth.

The Kurds kind of get screwed over by everyone since the countries that make up Kurdistan will never allow them to have a state even a rump one in Syria. The Soviets supported the PKK and Russia does not recognize them as terrorist group like Turkey, the US, and the EU do. The PKK is basically the YPG in Syria, it's the same people and Russia has supported them in Syria while the west has hesitated at times because the tensions it causes with Turkey. The Kurds are largely secular but also socialists so that is probably another reason that our government pauses. The Kurds support the Russians since they have not received the support and recognition from the west they believe they deserve in order to please our ally Turkey, I imagine they don't like being considered a terrorist group plus Russia bombs their enemies and doesn't bomb them. The US has only ever really supported the Kurds in northern Iraq afaik.

the scuttlebutt is that a foreign power will knock out our grid at the outset of any major conflagration, to keep us out of it.

Military equipment is hardened against EMP though, so while civilians might have no power nor working electronics right before the major cites are burned with nuclear fire, the state could still have its nuclear weapons launched to do the same to the other cities. It would be nice if it were simple enough to disarm all the nukes of the nations at once with EMPs, but I think that's already prepared against.

Still nobody noticed the Fallout reference joke with the date that coincides with my birthday? Sadness.

^^^sorry, don't feel bad, I've forgotten my own birthday before and nobody else remembered either. but I thought EMP also took out all non-line-of-sight radio communications as well.

Thanks.

Far as I know, EMPs cause random voltages/currents in circuits and thereby often fry them. Faraday cages and other methods can stop that effect from affecting shielded or hardened electronics. Radio interference is momentary, and wouldn't affect shielded wire or fiber optic communications.

what is your opinion as to the reasons our electrical utilities have so far refused to take any steps towards hardening our grid?

I did , I just forgot to post it. I've been playing fallout 4 again but I'm rather disappointed with the dlc and or point the game itself. Fallout nerve gas was better. Fallout 3 was good except it was a big pain to navigate

No one wants to pay for it. It'd cost like every citizen s dollar s year, but people won't raise taxes to pay for it, the companies won't spend their own money to do it, profits and stock piling money is more important then security.

They're cheap stingy and lazy, although if the nukes ever do fly then they wont have a lot of customers. It would be nice if cities were built underground and geothermal energy were used more. Dig down to the lava and use it to boil water and run steam turbines. Agriculture could be done underground with controlled temperature, humidity, and lighting, allowing for any variety of ecosystems to be nurtured anywhere on the planet.