'Wednesday Hillary Clinton is done" Assange to speak Tuesday
Trump is the most moderate Republican in modern US history in terms of a lot of his views, he's not somebody that wants to cut Social Security or Medicare and he's made infrastructure(wall included
These are things we knew long before he ever ran for president, I just don't think he's the most terrible racist of all time because he wanted to see Obama's birth certificate which was a perfectly legitimate question. Obama played that controversy up for years and never released the record until a long time later, he used it a way to deflect criticism away because instead of talking about real issues he could just castigate everybody for questioning his birthplace. Opposing illegal immigration is not racist, likening all illegal immigrants to Mexicans like our media has down is actually far more racist than anything Trump. The context of the 'rapist and murderers' remarks are specially about illegal border crossers on our southern border and the fact that Mexico facilitates the movement of migrants from Central America to the border of the US because they don't want them to stay in their country and when you're not able to vet people at all entering this country as now know in Europe that some of these people are not so nice.
The crime along both sides of our border is unfathomable, do Europeans understand the how much bloodshed there has been? The Drug War in Mexico wherein the cartels that make ISIS blush basically have infiltrated the government and police of that country, these cartels are the people that are the drug and human traffickers and they've fought against the Mexican government and probably even more so among themselves as they fight over territory for these routes into the America and we're talking about operating profits in the billions of dollars so these narcos are a lot more sophisticated and heavily armed than you could ever imagine. Nearly 200,000 people have been killed in the 10 years this war has gone on which is more than wars in the Balkans in the 90s! People just don't understand the context.
Trump's initial idea about barring Muslim entry into the US was bit reactionary but it's emotional time after a terrorist and it so frustrating the complete lack of leadership shown on this issue from the Obama administration. Trump revised his position to a more sensible one where he bars immigration from countries 'compromised by terrorism' meaning countries where we cannot vet whoever is coming over here which Obama's own FBI director said was an impossibility. Opposing backwards extremists values I don't think is a bad thing either, would you bend over backwards for apocalyptic Evangelical Christians? Standing up for our cultural values is not racist, if you believe in multiculturalism then why is that only we are not allowed to preserve our culture?
yeah, reporting on trump is pretty onesided here, so I read all sorts of newspapers online. I actually understand that, what trump says between the outrageous bits, makes him sound pretty centrist republican, not ted cruz crazy.
I mean, in my opinion, he's an opportunist, not a madman (like cruz).
anyway, the racist remarks and all that being opportunist show... I still can't follow your conclusion, you see:
you say you think he doesn't have an ulterior motive, other than helping the US people- but what I see is that he doesn't exactly have a track record of being anything but a clever businessman, who's taking every opportunity to make a profit for himself. I mean, his tax-plan sounds like it was designed by the billionaire junta you accuse of ruining the country, his statement on environmental protection (You can leave a little, but not allow it to get in the way of business) doesn't sound helpful to the people having to live in said environment.
he himself has bis stuff manufactured overseas, while he says he's going to bring manufacturing back... why now? he could have done it in his own business for years, but didn't....
oh, and yeah, I do understand the war on drugs in central america is ...medieval. But his foreign and immigration policy is not what worries me so much, he's out for business, and he's not going to start ww3 as long as he doesn't own halliburton, he's smarter than THAT.
I'm just confused about why exactly someone who's prospered in and on the very process that wrecked the country should have had this change of mind.... or maybe it isn't even a change of mind, but an honest belief that trickle down economics still works and that the country as a whole will profit from him and other billionaires paying less taxes.
but then I have to ask: why do you still believe that?
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It's obvious Trump has a big ego and who can blame the guy? It is a good point that he's a pretty open book about things compared Hillary who's public persona couldn't be any more fake and I think you'd be mistaken to think she lacks an ego and is this weird grandma character she is trying to play now. I think Trump wants to wants to help the American people but I think he is probably motivated in part by his own ambitions for 'greatness' and desire for love & adoration, he may not be the most altruistic or selfless person but I think this ego will lend itself to him dedicating himself to to his job to best of his abilities. Is Trump an opportunist? I think he's been consistent with his core message for a long long time and if you go watch that clip of him on Oprah from the 80s where she asks him if he'll ever run for president it will sound very familiar, he raises the same points about being ripped off in trade and our allies not paying their fair share. Trump said back then that he'd probably never run but maybe he would if the country got bad enough and felt it needed him, I guess it's finally got bad enough so I guess in that way you can say he's an opportunist.
Trump has never really been accepted the Manhattan high society and now pretty much all the forces of Lucifer... I mean Wall Street and the Beltway establishment, have united along with our corporate media against him. This also gives him credence since he has all the right enemies, they way they have acted like chickens with their heads cut off really makes him seem like the real deal. The wealthy in this country do not like to advertise their wealth and Trump has always flied in the face of that, he's always been gaudy and blinged out. I find him, and I think a lot of people in this country do, to be a quintessentially American character and someone people aspire to be. He is a shrewd businessman which I don't see as a negative, being upset with him for taking advantages of the loop holes(some actually created by Bill when he was president) granted to him and using his money to buy influence is just what you do in business and you need somebody that understands it from the inside like that.
Trump ran a business, he's lost billions and made it all back multiple times over and I don't think his failed businesses are a mark against because he tried and he employed doing it along the way. This idea that he was bequeathed his wealth from his father and that he is an incompetent business man couldn't be further from the truth. He's a leader and he wasn't afraid to take risks and try new things, it's not his fault that Atlantic City went bust which happened because of the legalization of Indian casinos on the east coast so gambling was no longer a novelty and Atlantic City is a resort town that has busted before. There is nothing anybody on earth could of done to save Atlantic City, the forces were beyond Trump's control. One thing to keep in mind that Trump didn't make his fortune by being a money manipulator, he built/ran hotels and golf resorts while employing tens of thousands of people over the years so it's a tangible thing unlike say Mitt Romney who made his money outsourcing jobs and liquefying companies.
As for Trump's tax and environmental policies, what either of the candidates have as their platform isn't what they're actually going to get since they're just ideas at this point and need the approval of the congress. Trump is a negotiator and you don't start with what you actually want but rather negotiate down to it if possible, I feel like he is already negotiating and cultivating an image of strength to assist with that. Trump fancies himself a grand deal maker and pragmatist but he's not a push over either, he's actually credible and not someone that will surrender to the Democrats or Republican establishment as almost all have before him. Mitt Romney seems like a nice guy but he was a liberal Republican governor and never inspired anybody, John McCain is a neoconservative ideologue and someone that has derided and looked down his nose at the GOP establishment his whole career. Everyone had great hopes for Obama but he didn't live up the promises of his campaign, a lot of people call him a push over and he entered office with super majorities in the House and Senate which were majorities that were suppose to last a generation but were wiped out entirely in 4-6 years. The Democrats were so anti-war and pro-constitution while Bush was in office but the second he was elected they flipped the switch and were now pro-war and anti-constitution.
Trump is opportunity to enact real change to and to overthrow our political establishment, this opportunity won't come again for a long time and if Trump fails then the two parties will make changes to make sure no outsider candidate like that could ever challenge the status quo like that again. People don't even have to agree with Trump on a lot of things if their interest is in overthrowing this order, if Trump can win then so can a candidate like a Bernie Sanders instead of the cookie cutter corporate candidate that are really almost indistinguishable from each other. Could you imagine if Jeb Bush was the GOP nominee? It would be like 2012 all over again, there would be no real choice while the powers that be have their bets hedged either way. The elitism and political correctness that has stifled our political process for far too long needs to end!
To be honest, what put it over the top for me was when Trump spoke having peace with Russia and I'm sure some people are starting to think I'm some sort of Russophile or that I'm in love Putin but I never bought the propaganda against him and he is an effective leader for his people which admirable considering where Russia was before he took office. Untangling our web of alliances is something that is central to Trump's campaign and forging a new relationship with Russia which to me is the most important bilateral relationship in the world, the truth is we have a lot in common and have a lot of shared interests. I have no appetite from confrontation with Russia, I think they'd be a better ally than say Saudi Arabia who controls our foreign policy who's human rights record is infinitely worse. No other candidate advocated for this, earlier in the campaign these freaks were calling for a no fly zone in Syria which would mean an air war with Russia over Syria which we might lose believe it or not.
wtf?
how did you bring yourself, and through your imperial power all of us, the rest of the world, into this mess?
how is it that southpark's "douche and turdsandwich" joke has become less of a bitter joke and more of a cynical but accurate description of the state of your democracy? ...
... well... even the ancient greeks at some point thought voting was unfair, and chose their leaders by drawing ballots. I guess they had reached this stage we're at as well.
Reality is a turd sandwich.
I doubt anything will come of this. Unfotunately, it's a win-win. Even if Assange has nothing on Hillary, all he has to do is say he does. Then when he doesn't come out with any actual information, the conspiracy theorists will simply conclude that he was threatened into silence. I don't believe Assange has anything but we will find out soon enough.
I think this is just an example of the big lie technnique. You repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. I just don't believe that Clinton has murdered anyone and covered it up. Even if she did how would anyone even know? How do you even know you are reading accurate information? I've seen people accuse her of 40+ murders. It just suspends disbelief. One or two is possible but I still don't see that the evidence points to it.
I just don't see Hillary as an evil psychopath. It would take a psychopath to do what she has been accused of doing (covering up murders). I could be wrong of course.
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I think this is just an example of the big lie technnique. You repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. I just don't believe that Clinton has murdered anyone and covered it up. Even if she did how would anyone even know? How do you even know you are reading accurate information? I've seen people accuse her of 40+ murders. It just suspends disbelief. One or two is possible but I still don't see that the evidence points to it.
I just don't see Hillary as an evil psychopath. It would take a psychopath to do what she has been accused of doing (covering up murders). I could be wrong of course.
The big lie is Trump and his followers' specialty. In fact, I dealt with it right here on this board today, when a Trumper in another thread claimed that the alt-right doesn't exist and that it's just a figment of the left's imagination. His assertion being so easily debunked disturbed me, because why would someone lie like that? Basically, they are trying to create a fiction to confuse the public and produce enough cognitive dissonance so that maybe they can eek out an election win and go to work tearing down everything we've been building up for decades.
We need to stand fast. I mean it.
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Why now, aside from fiduciary duty to shareholders?
As a businessman, he can't impact the costs of manufacturing in the US very much. Certainly not enough to offset the profit margin of sourcing materials overseas.
As President, he can.
Why now, aside from fiduciary duty to shareholders?
As a businessman, he can't impact the costs of manufacturing in the US very much. Certainly not enough to offset the profit margin of sourcing materials overseas.
As President, he can.
How?
the reality is, adidas is returning manufacturing to germany. They're building a robot factory.
http://fortune.com/2016/05/25/adidas-ro ... factories/
That's the only thing that can compete with asian de-facto slaves. How much import tax would have to be added to make production in the west competitive again?
You see, in europe people are discussing the basic income, a concept following an idea from the eighties that late capitalism would manage to produce so cheaply, that the act of production wouldn't be able to produce the income to sustain consumption. (in germany, only 40% of people get their money through work. the rest are their family, indepently wealthy, or on wellfare). basically, people would have to be paid to consume.
so.... it feels like europe and the US are having similar problems, but the US is discussing a solution that stops at the demand of: bring back work!
the question of: how do we actually compete with de-facto slavery in third world countries - or our own robots?
raise import taxes and outlaw robots, to save jobs? or build robots and tax their work and give people the money to consume robot labour without work? I know, that sounds both utopian and upsetting...
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hmm. okay, I beginning to see where you're coming from. However I still disagree with some points...
firstly, I read some of the old critics of US policy, like chomsky, and some of the less-than critical strategic advisors, like george friedman. They both agree on some things, but have a completely different view on it- chomsky being critical, friedman being what he'd call "realistic" about things. however, they both agree on how small the role of the president in policy-making actually is. Take the Obama example: he promised a lot of things, change and so on, among them universal healthcare, but in 8 years, his legacy is a fraction of what he set out to achieve. Bush II was an idiot, but he didn't manage to ruin the country either. what both Bush and Obama could achieve, they did as commander in chief of the army, bush starting a war, obama changing the nature of warfare into a strange videogame for drone pilots that produces middle-eastern children who fear blue skies, because that's when the drones strike.
anyway. neither of them substantially changed the economic system, nor did clinton I -on his own.
so... why would Trump have the power to change the system, anymore than Obama had?
the president doesn't make laws, congress does. and the supreme court. -or am I wrong about that?
so...even if I were to completely buy the racism is just show-argument, and the trump-is-going-to-work-"for the people" (whatever that actually implies)....I don't understand the devisive fervour, as to me it seems, the most powerful man on earth is in practice not that powerful, and a lot more power is distributed among congress and the lobbyists attached.
so.. why the hope for a strong-man instead of grassroots movements, which seem to have been, in the past, somewhat successful-
(except for the occupy movement, which was a headless mess... one needs a vision of a future after the revolution, not just slowly dissipitating anger that can't turn into a revolution for the lack of a vision for after...... hey, that sounds a bit like the anger that's propelling trump's people, only they...you... hope he's got a plan.... could that be true?)
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I see it as a means of making it fair, I don't think American workers should have to compete with the slaves and serfs of the world. The number would be one that makes up that difference. The US is lucky in that it has great potential for self sufficiency, we have huge country with abundant natural resources and are an ocean away from the most troubled parts of the world. If we can't get a better deal then we should start charging the countries that live under our protectorate more as they do not contribute their fair share and that tribute should go to the US directly for its service to them. We have too much foreign aid while not collecting the rents from our deadbeat allies so something has to change. I like the idea of getting rid of the income tax entirely and returning to funding our government thru tariffs and excise taxes as it was for its first 150 years, if there was internally no income tax then I think it would give a boost to our domestic economy and put a halt to outsourcing. The numbers have to hashed out but that's the direction I'd like to go. If America is not working for me then quite frankly I don't care if it stops working for the billionaires/multinational corporations or do we now believe in trickle down economics?
On shoes, it would have to be about 50%.
on the production value?
how do you end up with that number?
and... what will people say if they earn more, but the prices of everything go up? I mean, there won't be 3 t-shirts for 5 bucks at wallmart anymore. hell, there might not be any wallmart anymore...
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interesting point. you know, personally I think no one should be so rich he can have his own water purification plant and helicopter, so he's forced to have a personal interest in the commons, like roads and water supply. .... but that's just an idea with little practical relevance...
what do you think of property tax as the only tax- that is being discussed in regard of gentrification, and to boost commerce, while taking only from those who own something of very real value, that allows them to profit off the poor: land.
onviously, an acre in wyoming would produce almost nothing in taxes, while own an acre in manhattan, one would have to be a gazillionaire anyway...
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firstly, I read some of the old critics of US policy, like chomsky, and some of the less-than critical strategic advisors, like george friedman. They both agree on some things, but have a completely different view on it- chomsky being critical, friedman being what he'd call "realistic" about things. however, they both agree on how small the role of the president in policy-making actually is. Take the Obama example: he promised a lot of things, change and so on, among them universal healthcare, but in 8 years, his legacy is a fraction of what he set out to achieve. Bush II was an idiot, but he didn't manage to ruin the country either. what both Bush and Obama could achieve, they did as commander in chief of the army, bush starting a war, obama changing the nature of warfare into a strange videogame for drone pilots that produces middle-eastern children who fear blue skies, because that's when the drones strike.
anyway. neither of them substantially changed the economic system, nor did clinton I -on his own.
so... why would Trump have the power to change the system, anymore than Obama had?
the president doesn't make laws, congress does. and the supreme court. -or am I wrong about that?
so...even if I were to completely buy the racism is just show-argument, and the trump-is-going-to-work-"for the people" (whatever that actually implies)....I don't understand the devisive fervour, as to me it seems, the most powerful man on earth is in practice not that powerful, and a lot more power is distributed among congress and the lobbyists attached.
so.. why the hope for a strong-man instead of grassroots movements, which seem to have been, in the past, somewhat successful-
(except for the occupy movement, which was a headless mess... one needs a vision of a future after the revolution, not just slowly dissipitating anger that can't turn into a revolution for the lack of a vision for after...... hey, that sounds a bit like the anger that's propelling trump's people, only they...you... hope he's got a plan.... could that be true?)
The president of the United States is still very powerful altho you are correct in that he would not be able to things on his own but that is why Trump being a pragmatist and deal maker comes in. Trump would occupy the bully pulpit and as a populist be able to mobilize his support and make his case directly to the people. The executive branch has become huge and bloated, Trump would have wide ranging liberty to do as he wishes in a lot of these agencies and the same with the military as the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. Obama and Bush have stretched the boundaries of the use of executive orders so Trump would be able to utilize the same tools they did during their presidencies. Trump winning would cause a massive realignment in US and probably world politics, I think if Trump wins then there is a good chance you see populists gain power in Europe next year with critical elections in France/Germany/Netherlands and possibly your own country as well(what the hell is going on with your elections btw?) It would be the beginning of a new world order so it's pretty hard to predict what will happen.
As for why not a grassroots movement, it's because those are too easily defeated by co-opting and infiltration as it did both Occupy and the Tea Party so it's the failure of those movements that have made a candidate like Trump necessary since he's someone with the stature to stand up to these corrupting interests and perhaps he's not but there isn't a credible alternative at this point. People support Trump because he's fighter and somebody they think can win on their behalf, not a push over. I think it's wrong to assume that there isn't grassroots support for Trump either because he couldn't of won without it as he's not dependent on high priced campaign infrastructure with his opponents outspending him like 15 to 1.
Murray Rothbard wrote an essay 'In Defense of Demagogues" back in 1954 which is a very interesting read and maybe it will help you understand why Trump has to be the way he is to be able to win as well as my reasoning for supporting him.
https://mises.org/library/defense-demagogues
Language warning --
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdySeAEPKBM
(I don't know whether it was ever formally prosecuted, but, in Britain, it was supposed to be illegal to watch. According to BRICS-aligned interests, the beheading videos were faked, and planted on people.)
Server-gate was used as a ruse, to lure Russia into war. And, when you watch that montage of bureaucrats and dignitaries, threatening Assange, in this endless press release, what is the narrative. Cyber-warfare is war. They say it, repeatedly; it's terrorism, to them.
But, what kind of info is actually leaked. Nothing of strategic value. (That's called a "limited hangout," to give disinfo, under interrogation.) We heard about the lacking, social graces of foreign dignitaries, and the guy with his finger on the button. Can you create a strategy or a system, with this sort of information. Can it be used to endanger people. Or, is it just feelings.
If anything, the scandal is our poor reputation as a military state. When this comes into question, she picks fights with foreign countries.
She's not stupid, but a clever liar, adept at emotionalizing the issue.
firstly, I read some of the old critics of US policy, like chomsky, and some of the less-than critical strategic advisors, like george friedman. They both agree on some things, but have a completely different view on it- chomsky being critical, friedman being what he'd call "realistic" about things. however, they both agree on how small the role of the president in policy-making actually is. Take the Obama example: he promised a lot of things, change and so on, among them universal healthcare, but in 8 years, his legacy is a fraction of what he set out to achieve. Bush II was an idiot, but he didn't manage to ruin the country either. what both Bush and Obama could achieve, they did as commander in chief of the army, bush starting a war, obama changing the nature of warfare into a strange videogame for drone pilots that produces middle-eastern children who fear blue skies, because that's when the drones strike.
anyway. neither of them substantially changed the economic system, nor did clinton I -on his own.
so... why would Trump have the power to change the system, anymore than Obama had?
the president doesn't make laws, congress does. and the supreme court. -or am I wrong about that?
so...even if I were to completely buy the racism is just show-argument, and the trump-is-going-to-work-"for the people" (whatever that actually implies)....I don't understand the devisive fervour, as to me it seems, the most powerful man on earth is in practice not that powerful, and a lot more power is distributed among congress and the lobbyists attached.
so.. why the hope for a strong-man instead of grassroots movements, which seem to have been, in the past, somewhat successful-
(except for the occupy movement, which was a headless mess... one needs a vision of a future after the revolution, not just slowly dissipitating anger that can't turn into a revolution for the lack of a vision for after...... hey, that sounds a bit like the anger that's propelling trump's people, only they...you... hope he's got a plan.... could that be true?)
The president of the United States is still very powerful altho you are correct in that he would not be able to things on his own but that is why Trump being a pragmatist and deal maker comes in. Trump would occupy the bully pulpit and as a populist be able to mobilize his support and make his case directly to the people. The executive branch has become huge and bloated, Trump would have wide ranging liberty to do as he wishes in a lot of these agencies and the same with the military as the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. Obama and Bush have stretched the boundaries of the use of executive orders so Trump would be able to utilize the same tools they did during their presidencies. Trump winning would cause a massive realignment in US and probably world politics, I think if Trump wins then there is a good chance you see populists gain power in Europe next year with critical elections in France/Germany/Netherlands and possibly your own country as well(what the hell is going on with your elections btw?) It would be the beginning of a new world order so it's pretty hard to predict what will happen.
As for why not a grassroots movement, it's because those are too easily defeated by co-opting and infiltration as it did both Occupy and the Tea Party so it's the failure of those movements that have made a candidate like Trump necessary since he's someone with the stature to stand up to these corrupting interests and perhaps he's not but there isn't a credible alternative at this point. People support Trump because he's fighter and somebody they think can win on their behalf, not a push over. I think it's wrong to assume that there isn't grassroots support for Trump either because he couldn't of won without it as he's not dependent on high priced campaign infrastructure with his opponents outspending him like 15 to 1.
Murray Rothbard wrote an essay 'In Defense of Demagogues" back in 1954 which is a very interesting read and maybe it will help you understand why Trump has to be the way he is to be able to win as well as my reasoning for supporting him.
https://mises.org/library/defense-demagogues
okay, now I got it where you're coming from.
I don't believe Trump is fit for that, due to his way of having reached his wealth, but I finally got a glimpse what you see in him that I don't.
Being from a different culture with a difficult past, I'm not a particular friend of the concept demagogue anyway.
by grassroots movement I meant: for a cause, not a single strong-man to fight for that cause, but I now see why that appeals to you.
but please, make no mistake. the demagogues of europe ride purely on xenophobia. there's no centrist republican businessmen-dealmaker behind them, there's no make germany or austria or france great again, but almost exlusively: make germany german again. or austria austrian. but there isn't a germany or austria to fall back to until you go back to at least 1945..... after that it's all part of europe.... so that's why I'd prefer to see the unwashed masses stand up to the EU and tell them, their financial politics don't work, without the: we need to be seperate, competing nations again. Historically, that was a bad, bad constellation. If the EU breaks up violently through these guys, europe might end up in ruins again, this century, and I'm assuming the ThyssenKrupps (german family of industrials that heavily profitted from ww2 and the following rebuilding of germany with american money) will emerge wealthier than ever.
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