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09 Nov 2016, 1:10 pm

I never particularly considered myself foreign, until I was harassed for it, and don't think that many minority members consider themselves foreign.

The leftists are rooting for us.



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09 Nov 2016, 1:58 pm

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I never particularly considered myself foreign, until I was harassed for it, and don't think that many minority members consider themselves foreign.

The leftists are rooting for us.

Many are, but equally as many think they are and ironically spread their own brand of fascism racism and xenophobia.
I am liberal leaning in social issues, but this recent trend in behaviour has made me not want to associate with their political realm.


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09 Nov 2016, 2:18 pm

American voters have been reduced to believing that "all successful politicians have and share their opinions" and that, "therefore, because I have opinions, too, my ideas are equally as valid as theirs." The "sportification" of politics compounds the problem. In reality, it takes years to understand and practice politics ably. Politics is different than government, but amateurs don't even recognize this simple fact.

So, American political ideas are dismissed simply because others don't agree with or understand them. And, like Pavlov's dog, if your candidates wear red, you are bad. But, if your candidates wear blue, you are beloved.

Anthropogenic Idiocracy slouches toward us everyday unless we return to a nation which teaches how and why our government should operate as it was intended.


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09 Nov 2016, 3:06 pm

I suppose all the right-wingers who were convinced it was rigged before the election started, will deny that is the case now that their candidate got chosen. Kind of interesting, how does it suddenly become not-rigged just because their candidate won and not the democratic candidate.


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09 Nov 2016, 5:30 pm

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I suppose all the right-wingers who were convinced it was rigged before the election started, will deny that is the case now that their candidate got chosen. Kind of interesting, how does it suddenly become not-rigged just because their candidate won and not the democratic candidate.

"Rigging" elections can only be done in close elections (say, 2 percent spread). Beyond that, it becomes very apparent.


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09 Nov 2016, 8:47 pm

I absolutely have contempt for the democratic process under capitalism, and especially in America. That has never been a secret. It is an obscenity and deserves worse than contempt. It deserves to be torn asunder, and replaced with something that actually protects the freedom of the common people instead of treating them like livestock to be herded this way and that.


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09 Nov 2016, 10:45 pm

i usually don't vote, but two years ago i did vote, specifically against the candidate who won, because i smelled way too much demagoguery (while the guy i voted for seemed more neutral and "generic" instead). she won by a very small margin (and lost by a very large margin in my state). people were not pleased, of course. but nobody really cared that much about it. she won, what can you do

soon her popularity plunged though, because she was failing to do her job properly, and the vultures were waiting. they knew the scenario was perfect for divisive tactics. eventually she got impeached. but nobody likes the new president either. it's upsetting how it's so obvious that both sides are so obviously only interested in either taking or keeping the chair to themselves, but sometimes people can still be convinced that politicians are somehow doing it "for the people", simply because a certain politician is challenging the one you dislike more

okay, she got elected. that's fair. she's not good, but let her at least do her best. okay, she got impeached. the whole thing was questionable, but at least it's finally over. what now... she says she'll fight to invalidate the impeachment. now that's just outrageous. nobody likes her, her government was a failure, the economy wasn't doing well, and the political stalemate sure wasn't helping. she wasn't going to clear her name. it just wasn't going to happen. and even if it were... what's more important? her name? or a functioning government? how can someone buy the rhetoric that a person like that is "defending the people"?

there'll be elections in two years. until then, let at least someone actually be in charge. indefiniteness and uncertainty don't help anyone. while the whole saga was going on, there were troubling signs that people might not accept any of the possible outcomes, but fortunately things seem to have calmed down. collective short memory can be infuriating sometimes, but sometimes it's a good thing... people should be upset, but simply wishing and demanding bad things to go way won't make anything better


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09 Nov 2016, 10:48 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
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People don't like the sense of being held hostage by other people's poor judgment.


Are we talking about the thesis, antithesis, or synthesis, all of which are framed arguments, with many strings attached.

I'm reading Morals and Dogma, and this rubs me as the "general reactionary movement."


I'm speaking generically. Regardless of who wins and who loses, if the losers are bitter their complains can be boiled down to the sentiment I described.


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12 Nov 2016, 10:07 am

Personally I see democracy as a mean to a end: human rights. The best way to put my values into words is the french republic motto: liberty, equality and fraternity, the basis of human rights; the only way to make it true is through democracy, as other regimes are/become too authoritarian to apply it. However if democracy fail to withhold such principles, like the election of Trump along with republicans in all other government bodies could bring, then it fail in it's purpose and solutions must be found. I don't know what those solutions could be in this case though.


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12 Nov 2016, 10:53 am

I think we have a combination of a couple things at play here: a lot of people are under-educated, miseducated, or indifferent. You also have four or five decades of Marxist LSD in the school systems, and when several hundred thousand SJW's get dumped into the school systems as teachers it'll probably get even worse. I call it Marxist LSD because Marx is someone whose philosophy needs to be gone through with a fine-tooth comb for where his critiques can soften and improve capitalism to make it less invasive to the quality of life - if read with wide-eyed true belief the results are particularly bad for the country they live in.


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12 Nov 2016, 4:34 pm

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12 Nov 2016, 5:23 pm

TheSpectrum wrote:
Hmm.
Would it not be fair to say that such laws should be replaced or redacted in order to ensure the will of the people via a democratic process is met? Or no?

I strongly disagree with this. Laws should not be written by the majority, they should be written in such a way that both maximises the national interest and doesn't unfairly exploit any groups.

If tomorrow 51% of people voted to end women's suffrage, Parliament would be completely right to tell them to take a long walk.

Brexit is slightly more complicated, but I still think it is right that Parliament exercise their best judgement. Of course, they must consider the referendum result, and the consequences of ignoring it, when they do so.