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10 Nov 2016, 3:30 pm

Any constitution is only as good as the people who interpret, abide by or not abide by it.


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10 Nov 2016, 4:02 pm

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I like my private property becuse it's private.I have some control over my drinking water,heating(wood heat) and food and can be more self-reliant.That and the older I get the less I can stand interacting with other people or noise.I don't have any neighbors close by and I REALLY like that.
Ideally no one would own the land,most Native Americans had no concept of land ownership,you used what you needed,no more,and respected others space.That won't work now,someone would try to push me off my spot then there'd be one helluva fight.Or they would try to steal my resources,such as cutting my timber.
So my deed is the only thing that stops a stronger force from taking it from me.
Of course sometimes this doesn't help,like when Park Service or National Forest wants your land.I live a mile from National,and Park is just the over the mountain.I'm between them,I used to get nervous they might want to extend boundaries and you don't have any choice but to take their offer.

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Which natives? The Aztec empire who went to war and claimed territory or the coalition on the east coast? Not all natives were nomads. Lots of them had empires and built cities. They believed in private property. Only ones who didn't were the plains natives, who were nomads. But even they had territory and would kill natives of other tribes who crossed into their lands.



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10 Nov 2016, 4:10 pm

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We have Obamacare because President Obama went on tv, and said our government run health care is a "ticking time bomb".

Why would it be different now?

Public opinion towards single payer healthcare has improved so it is now more politically viable. Donald Trump has openly supported it and it would be embarrassing for Congress to work against a Republican president. If Trump's tax reforms are revenue generating, then the extra revenues combined with the money gained from scrapping the ACA, Medicare, Medicaid, and VA healthcare could be used to fund a national health service.



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10 Nov 2016, 4:24 pm

Why would they scrap maidcare and medicaid



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10 Nov 2016, 4:27 pm

Mark Levin's "Liberty Amendments":

The eleven amendments proposed by Levin:

1. Impose Congressional term limits
2. Repeal the Seventeenth Amendment, returning the election of Senators to state legislatures
3. Impose term limits for Supreme Court Justices and restrict judicial review
4. Require a balanced budget and limit federal spending and taxation
5. Define a deadline to file taxes (one day before the next federal election)
6. Subject federal departments and bureaucratic regulations to periodic reauthorization and review
7. Create a more specific definition of the Commerce Clause
8. Limit eminent domain powers
9. Allow states to more easily amend the Constitution by bypassing Congress
10. Create a process where two-thirds of the states can nullify federal laws
11. Require photo ID to vote and limit early voting

Levin would have these amendments proposed to the states by a convention of the states as described in Article Five of the Constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Liberty_Amendments


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10 Nov 2016, 4:38 pm

sly279 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I like my private property becuse it's private.I have some control over my drinking water,heating(wood heat) and food and can be more self-reliant.That and the older I get the less I can stand interacting with other people or noise.I don't have any neighbors close by and I REALLY like that.
Ideally no one would own the land,most Native Americans had no concept of land ownership,you used what you needed,no more,and respected others space.That won't work now,someone would try to push me off my spot then there'd be one helluva fight.Or they would try to steal my resources,such as cutting my timber.
So my deed is the only thing that stops a stronger force from taking it from me.
Of course sometimes this doesn't help,like when Park Service or National Forest wants your land.I live a mile from National,and Park is just the over the mountain.I'm between them,I used to get nervous they might want to extend boundaries and you don't have any choice but to take their offer.

My reading material right now.
The Idiot.


Which natives? The Aztec empire who went to war and claimed territory or the coalition on the east coast? Not all natives were nomads. Lots of them had empires and built cities. They believed in private property. Only ones who didn't were the plains natives, who were nomads. But even they had territory and would kill natives of other tribes who crossed into their lands.

Cherokee.From what I remember, you could use what land you wanted to grow your own crops and livestock.If you wanted to grow more you just planted more.Some became very wealthy by selling off the excess and built nice homes and some had slaves.( not saying that was right.)Then the Trail of Tears happened.
I'm also thinking of the Treaty of Five nations on the East coast but not sure if I'm remembering the name right.
Take for example those pesky pilgrims,no one said " Hey,get off our land."
Sure had territory they considered theirs,but the concept of land being sold for money wasn't there.
They had more of a spiritual connection with the land.
http://www.lessonsofourland.org/lessons ... views-land


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10 Nov 2016, 5:09 pm

Darmok wrote:
Mark Levin's "Liberty Amendments":

The eleven amendments proposed by Levin:

1. Impose Congressional term limits
2. Repeal the Seventeenth Amendment, returning the election of Senators to state legislatures
3. Impose term limits for Supreme Court Justices and restrict judicial review
4. Require a balanced budget and limit federal spending and taxation
5. Define a deadline to file taxes (one day before the next federal election)
6. Subject federal departments and bureaucratic regulations to periodic reauthorization and review
7. Create a more specific definition of the Commerce Clause
8. Limit eminent domain powers
9. Allow states to more easily amend the Constitution by bypassing Congress
10. Create a process where two-thirds of the states can nullify federal laws
11. Require photo ID to vote and limit early voting

Levin would have these amendments proposed to the states by a convention of the states as described in Article Five of the Constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Liberty_Amendments


Generally I agree with a good portion of the above, but I do not think that the US Constitution should be amended to reflect what can be enacted by law. When you start to play with the US Constitution, what's to stop somebody at a later point to amend the Bill of Rights portion of the constitution because the Bill of rights are inconvientent to their agenda? --The less revision of the constitution the better.


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10 Nov 2016, 5:24 pm

Misslizard wrote:
I like my private property becuse it's private.


Is it the privateness you like or the property itself? Would you stop liking it if it ceased to be considered private or was no longer privately owned?



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10 Nov 2016, 5:29 pm

beneficii wrote:
As for cost, universal health care systems have cheaper health care per person and quite fundable:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... martya-sen


I'll bet the countries mentioned in the article have nowhere near the amount of self-inflicted injuries and illnesses that the United States does.



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10 Nov 2016, 6:31 pm

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Misslizard wrote:
I like my private property becuse it's private.


Is it the privateness you like or the property itself? Would you stop liking it if it ceased to be considered private or was no longer privately owned?

Privately owned and privacy.If someone built a house by me it wouldn't be that desirable anymore.
Since I own the land,no one can build next to me,a nice buffer zone.
My fortress of solitude.


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