Electors are wavering in their support for Donald Trump

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11 Nov 2016, 8:13 pm

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-new ... heir-vote/

Look how upset democrats are when the Same thing was proposed before the election. And now they propose the very thing they were upset about happening. The comments are full of people saying they can't do that. So it's ok have republicans ignore their voters but not democrats to do it.

Liberals are so hypocritical and sore losers.

Also if you got what you wanted it'd go to the republican controlled house to decide the president.



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11 Nov 2016, 8:19 pm

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For most states, federal electors are also members of Congress, governors, lieutenant governors, mayors of large cities, legislators and important business leaders. If any of them choose to bolt from the electoral mandates that their constituents and citizens have made clear, they would end up with a very short political career. Look for almost all but the most renegade of electors to affirm the will of the people.


Electors cannot be members of Congress (U.S. Const., Art II, Sect. 1):

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...no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector


I'm not sure if this prohibition applies to members of state government, however.


It does not matter too much. In most states the electors are required by law to vote for the candidate for which they are pledged. "Faithless Electors" may account for a few votes at most. Since the electoral count is not even close this will not change the result.


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11 Nov 2016, 8:40 pm

I think in order for it to happen there would have to be a specific reason for it such as suspected voter fraud or something other than people just not liking him or his policies.



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11 Nov 2016, 9:10 pm

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/12897066

This explains it and has a link to info about faithless electors and the states with Republican voter majorities in the populous. You would still see a Republican as president just not one who is so outspokenly against fundamental freedoms. What Trump has said is more troubling than what Ted Cruz said, for instance. Trump has denounced freedom of the press pretty much. That is pretty scary for a president. Thing is, I've seen tea party candidates less radical than Trump lose local elections here.

Pretty sure Pennsylvania and Florida are good places to start. If you aren't in states that chose Trump this election, your elector votes already went to HRC.



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11 Nov 2016, 9:23 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/12897066

This explains it and has a link to info about faithless electors and the states with Republican voter majorities in the populous. You would still see a Republican as president just not one who is so outspokenly against fundamental freedoms. What Trump has said is more troubling than what Ted Cruz said, for instance. Trump has denounced freedom of the press pretty much. That is pretty scary for a president. Thing is, I've seen tea party candidates less radical than Trump lose local elections here.

Pretty sure Pennsylvania and Florida are good places to start. If you aren't in states that chose Trump this election, your elector votes already went to HRC.


That already doesn't exist. Please give some evidence for that. Ted Cruz talked of carpet bombing certain countries in the Middle East as a solution. Hillary Clinton has already done that and is a billion times more corrupt and evil than Trump, yet you would have made this thread had that psychotic war monger won. If you do not like democracy, then move to North Korea.


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11 Nov 2016, 9:28 pm

Here we go again. This is the sort of crap that is currently going on with Brexit.

Critical thinking is great until you apply it in a way that makes my views look obviously stupid.
Free speech is great until you say something that hurts my feelings.
A democratic system is great until you elect someone I don't like.

So I'm gonna throw wrenches in or subvert all three when it pleases me. The butthurt peons of the establishment ladies and gentlemen.

What was it JFK said? Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.


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11 Nov 2016, 9:39 pm

...I am completely against any electoral nullification (I believe that is the proper word for it) , electors not voting for Trump , AspieUtah summed it up nicely ~ But , as far as " the will of the PEOPLE " , doesn't Hillary having won the popular vote put a funny spin on that phrase ?
It seems to me like the " flyover " states which whine about how victimized they are could be argued as having (Yes , legally .) VICTIMIZED the " evil , coastal " states (Taking into account of course that plenty of " flyover " voted for Hillary and plenty of " evil , coastal " voted for Trump !)




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It's still interesting to note that technically this exists even if it would never happen, for all the reasons stated.

True. But, I wonder if the ability to vote against the electoral college is, in practice, a two-month fail-safe measure to protect against a president-elect who goes on an intellectual bender immediately after the election, but before the inauguration.

Probably same reason the president isn't in office til Jan it took weeks or months to cross the conttry by horse to D.C. Otherwise they'd likely been in office the next day.
Stuff use to take longer to do.

There's been s few cases where electors voted a different way then their state did and it didn't change the outcome other the. Some states made it illegal.

Mean what this thread suggests is so undemocratic. That people from California or New York or other libal dominated states are suggesting that other states electors ignore the will of the people they there to represent and instead vote how California wants. It's like CNN. Telling senators to vote against their people's interests. As they told CNN, we represent the people from our state, we do as they voted not how we or others want.

Imagine if California electors decided to change California vote to trump.
My state is blue and if I was an elector no matter how much I despise Clinton I'd vote for her. It's not my vote it's the hundreds of thousands of people i there to represent vote.
That's how a republic works, the USA is a republic you should have been taught this in school.

Thank god I finished school before liberals turned it from education to brainwashing. The stuff I hear kids say their teachers taught them now is crazy batshit lies


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11 Nov 2016, 9:50 pm

Give it up, Trump won fair and square. You people are the enemies of democracy just like I said, it's only "democracy" to you if it's one party rule and you get your way all the time and all others are ostracized from society.

Perhaps this anger should be directed at the most flawed presidential nominee in the history of the US Hillary Clinton and the corrupt DNC and complicit media who rigged their primary, take a long look in the mirror before you start foaming out the mouth at others.

What leftists lack today is empathy, they might claim they have empathy for their selected identity groups(inherently divisive and racist) but they really don't and have zero tolerance for dissent or even discussion. It's a totalitarian world view, they never tried to understand or appeal to Trump voters, they called them deplorable and stupid and every nasty thing in the book. Hillary ran on a message of hate and fear, these people stuck inside their own bubble took it hook line and sinker and are now violently rioting. They're totally self-defeating, these dodos who like to roleplay as 60s radicals have a very poor understanding of history because it was the extremists who ruined the civil rights movement and generated an epic backlash. People like Martin Luther King Jr is who people should look up too, not terrorists like Bill Ayers and whoever else they want to glorify. So keep rioting, it'll make it just that much easier for Trump in 4 years.



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11 Nov 2016, 10:04 pm

It's not like any Democrat will get the job as president so I dunno why Republicans are so fierce about this. Questioning a President Elect's mental ability to take office is allowed and I encourage those with any doubt follow their intuition and fight for their rights now while they still can.



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11 Nov 2016, 10:22 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/12897066

This explains it and has a link to info about faithless electors and the states with Republican voter majorities in the populous. You would still see a Republican as president just not one who is so outspokenly against fundamental freedoms. What Trump has said is more troubling than what Ted Cruz said, for instance. Trump has denounced freedom of the press pretty much. That is pretty scary for a president. Thing is, I've seen tea party candidates less radical than Trump lose local elections here.

Pretty sure Pennsylvania and Florida are good places to start. If you aren't in states that chose Trump this election, your elector votes already went to HRC.

They'll have to pick from the top 3 candidates. So trump, Johnson. or Clinton
So a republican that won them lots of seats in the house, a 3rd party candidate or evil Clinton. Gee wonder who the republicans will pick



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11 Nov 2016, 10:23 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It's not like any Democrat will get the job as president so I dunno why Republicans are so fierce about this. Questioning a President Elect's mental ability to take office is allowed and I encourage those with any doubt follow their intuition and fight for their rights now while they still can.

I'm a democrat who supports the republic and its laws.



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11 Nov 2016, 10:38 pm

Sly, that article I posted says electors would choose another Republican instead of Trump.



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11 Nov 2016, 11:40 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Sly, that article I posted says electors would choose another Republican instead of Trump.

Then they'll lying

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What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 Electoral votes?

If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes. Each state delegation has one vote. The Senate would elect the Vice President from the 2 Vice Presidential candidates with the most Electoral votes. Each Senator would cast one vote for Vice President. If the House of Representatives fails to elect a President by Inauguration Day, the Vice-President Elect serves as acting President until the deadlock is resolved in the House.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-regist ... html#no270
They can't just choose who ever they want it has to a presidential candidate who received electoral votes. So Johnson is out even leaving just Clinton and trump. Again guess who they'll pick.



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11 Nov 2016, 11:51 pm

As a mentally disabled person, I was very scared and upset (still am) about this bigot being president. I would have thought more people here would be upset about it but I don't think this is going to do any good.

He may be a dangerous man but he may just be full of hot air. As much as it almost kills me to accept this, what else can we do? We have to live life as best as we can and if he crashes and burns, we can laugh at him and hope that the country does not go down with him.

I always believe in striving harder to succeed to beat my enemies and since Donald Trump is an enemy to me, I'm only going to fight harder.



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12 Nov 2016, 8:15 am

What's really weird about this is the Republican establishment rejected Trump at first partly because of his bigotry, now he can do no wrong. Why suddenly the change? What will stimulate the economy more than anything he does is people spending money but hey guys you can spend money anytime. Trump doesn't have to be President to do that. Spending always helps economies. You all will spend the money while Trump takes all the credit but please don't go into massive credit debt just because you are excited about him or it will be 2007 all over again.



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12 Nov 2016, 8:32 am

Ana,

If they did this, if the electoral college subverted the outcome of the vote, it would set a precedent for it happening again much more easily. Right now you might think it's justified (although who would they vote for instead....Hillary!?) but once it's happened successfully one time it would be yet another pattern of our sovereignty getting overthrown because they'd be able to do this with pretty much any popularly elected president elect who the globalists or whoever has the money in Washington doesn't want to see in power.

If you're really worried about Trump, if anyone really is, take Sam Harris's advice and speak as much as you can at making sure he's wrapped in competent advisers and people who will keep our country safe from his inexperience and personal oddities. Also no one had the will to limit executive power under Bush, no one had the will to do it under Obama; do you think we might have the will to get it done now?


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