Reality check! Illegal laborers - a practical approach.
sly279 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It's big, corporate, agriculture, not little farms. If Americans wanted to do farm work there are lots of opportunities and it's really easy to find. It's just that it's so physically demanding. Most Americans don't want to work that hard everyday and why should they? Why is it so terrible to let Mexicans work their way in where there is a real labor shortage and they are physically able to do it?
Um yeah those jobs are taken cause Americans won't work illegally for crap pay and no benifits for hard labor.
Boot all the illegals out and make the companies pay mine wage with pay increases and benefits and plenty of Americans will work it. But that won't happen if you leave it up to the companies.
It's a crime to be here illegally drive illegally, work illegally etc
I've always found it annoying how you liberals want to make guns illegally but turn a blind eye to illegals breaking the law every freaking day, heck up in Portland they support them breaking the law. Yet gun laws will stop bad peoples lol. I dont know what freaked up crazy world liberals live but they crazy for believing in it. Gun owners obey and support all laws, we don't pick and choose which ones to obey even ones we dislike until they get super bad like registration.
And not only that but Americans are increasingly not choosing to work in fast food restaurants either so how can you use crap benefits, and low wages as excuses?
Think of the message we send if we create a pathway to citizenship through working program. Instead of flooding the boarder, apply to work certain jobs and eventually gain citizenship rather than coming in without applying. Also take some of the stigma away by calling it coming in without applying since it's not really criminal behavior, more irresponsible. It's kind of like cutting in line. What we have is a lot of people cutting in line and some of them are career criminals, gang bangers and whatnot, which need to be found and dealt with. A work program would also help weed out the career criminals, wouldn't it?
Oh and by the way I support the right to bear arms since I believe the constitution is vitally important during times of rampant political corruption like we are seeing now.
The reality is that most illegals are not working in the fields picking fruit, there are not 30 million fruit pickers in this country
I doubt there is 3 million to be honest
If the spigot of illegal labor was turned off then businesses would have to compete with each other to attract workers which means better pay and benefits, unions back when they actually advocated for their workers were strongly against illegal immigration. Cesar Chavez believe or not was running his own Minuteman militia operation with UFW back in the 60s, he worked to deport illegal labor.
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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It's big, corporate, agriculture, not little farms. If Americans wanted to do farm work there are lots of opportunities and it's really easy to find. It's just that it's so physically demanding. Most Americans don't want to work that hard everyday and why should they? Why is it so terrible to let Mexicans work their way in where there is a real labor shortage and they are physically able to do it?
It is not, IMO, because "it's so physically demanding". I would MUCH rather do a physically-demanding job, as opposed to a mentally-demading job (I've worked on the railroad and done construction, for instance, and LOVE it); and, I know alotta people who feel the same----also, because there's no training / certification involved, for which the worker has to pay.
What it IS about, IMO, is tyrannical bosses and unsafe / sub-par working conditions, cruel demands on the workers, and pathetic pay. I also live in an agricultural state----Perdue Chickens is maybe the biggest ag company, here----and, Perdue and Tyson are MONSTERS in the industry, and they treat their workers like dookey (not to mention the disgusting / harmful stuff they inject into their chickens, to make 'em grow faster / fatter):
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/poultry-workers-denied-bathroom-breaks-wear-diapers-oxfam-report-n572806
When I worked on the railroad, as a brakeman and conductor, for instance, there were often OSHA, NTSB, DOT, EPA (and probably alot of other acronyms / government agencies, that I'm forgetting) violations----for instance, flanges on train wheels, that were MUCH too thin, and thus, could derail a train of hazardous materials, for example, and not only endanger the WORKMEN'S lives, but also that of a town's people----it didn't matter; all that mattered was that the trains kept rolling (read, bring-in the bucks). Which leads me to a more previous post, of yours:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
For one thing it will drive up costs so your food will cost more...
Then, how 'bout THIS----how 'bout these monster, friggin' companies take LESS of a profit, and employ AMERICANS, and give 'em benefits!! Alot more people would win----the Feds / states' budgets would decrease DRAMATICALLY because of the reduction in providing food stamps, and so-forth; Americans could hold their heads up, cuz they were more easily able to feed / clothe / shelter their families----and, you know, EXHALE, for a change.....
If you wanna fight for a cause, how 'bout fighting for your OWN people, FIRST!! How 'bout fighting for Perdue to stop dumping chicken poop in nearby waterways and thus contaminating locals' water supply, and giving them intestinal parasites----not to mention the loss of ANOTHER food source: fish and crabs----which is another of Maryland's number ONE food industries.
All these things I've mentioned, are not even a TIP of the iceberg----and, all because you wanna take-care-of ANOTHER people, ahead of your own!! There's alot terribly wrong with that, IMO.
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