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Alliekit
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21 Nov 2016, 2:10 pm

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They have jobs in businesses and may own them. They are good hearted, kind people. We have been interacting with them for years. Many have positive opinions about these interactions. So, let's not forget reality in the midst of hysteria. No one likes being falsely accused of something they aren't. When everyone believes everyone else is bad we've lost that special quality that allows us to exist productively and peacefully.


The majority of Muslims who legally migrate to America manage to integrate reasonably well, largely because the US has fairly sensible migration policies. It's part of the reason you don't see the same issues that Europe is facing with its massive influx of migrants.

This implies that the majority of Muslims who migrate to Europe don't integrate well, which frankly I don't think is true at all. In day-to-day life, the average Muslim in Britain is more or less indistinguishable from the average non-Muslim. I can't necessarily speak for Belgium or Germany or France but I don't have a reason to think things are different there.


Not with anything like the same degree of success, no. Countless polls of British Muslims (who I agree are among the best integrated in Europe) show majority support for Sharia, intolerance for homosexuality, etc. I very much doubt that a US police department would allow organised abduction and rape of children to occur for fear of being labelled racist, either.


Those polls chose areas that are known to have more extreme views than the whole Muslim population



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21 Nov 2016, 3:19 pm

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The people who want to monitor Muslim Americans, or even deport them, are the real dangerous fanatics.


The people naive enough to believe they aren't already being monitored are a danger to themselves.


Why, and by who?


NSA already works with all companies to monitor us all. This has all been simi public and also leaked by Snowden.
They listen to our calls, read our emails and internet usage. There's not such thing as privacy. Your likely find It in all those terms and conditions we all agree to that are 1000s of pages long.

From what I've been told a Muslim registry happen after 9/11.


As there are literally millions upon millions of us Americans, they can try to monitor us all they like, but they'd be swamped with almost entirely useless information. In fact, that thought almost makes me wish they did, as they'd be going literally insane from mundane dirty talk, concerns about illness, b*tching about petty stuff, trying to convert sinners to Jesus, teenage girls talking about that cute guy in class, or teenage guys talking about that hot chick in class, etc. :lol:
As for a Muslim registry - I believe that was given up on back under Bush II, when it was realized how much it violated civil liberties. That is hardly any different from Jews having to wear yellow stars under the Nazis.

It's done by computers that listen for key phrases or words then forward that to people to review or flag for police to look into. Super computers are more then able to listen to the whole us population and other countries, they also got ratted out for spying on allied nations.



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21 Nov 2016, 4:24 pm

sly279 wrote:
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adifferentname wrote:
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The people who want to monitor Muslim Americans, or even deport them, are the real dangerous fanatics.


The people naive enough to believe they aren't already being monitored are a danger to themselves.


Why, and by who?


NSA already works with all companies to monitor us all. This has all been simi public and also leaked by Snowden.
They listen to our calls, read our emails and internet usage. There's not such thing as privacy. Your likely find It in all those terms and conditions we all agree to that are 1000s of pages long.

From what I've been told a Muslim registry happen after 9/11.


As there are literally millions upon millions of us Americans, they can try to monitor us all they like, but they'd be swamped with almost entirely useless information. In fact, that thought almost makes me wish they did, as they'd be going literally insane from mundane dirty talk, concerns about illness, b*tching about petty stuff, trying to convert sinners to Jesus, teenage girls talking about that cute guy in class, or teenage guys talking about that hot chick in class, etc. :lol:
As for a Muslim registry - I believe that was given up on back under Bush II, when it was realized how much it violated civil liberties. That is hardly any different from Jews having to wear yellow stars under the Nazis.

It's done by computers that listen for key phrases or words then forward that to people to review or flag for police to look into. Super computers are more then able to listen to the whole us population and other countries, they also got ratted out for spying on allied nations.


I know, I shouldn't be so dismissive of a violation of our civil liberties. What Trump supporters don't seem to fathom is how very likely, surveillance is going to increase exponentially under the President Elect when he take the oath of office.


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21 Nov 2016, 6:16 pm

The surveillance state unfortunately does not seem to be going anywhere, Trump is better since he believes in more targeted profiling than simply bulk data collection which I can't imagine they will be stopping either way.



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21 Nov 2016, 6:25 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
The people who want to monitor Muslim Americans, or even deport them, are the real dangerous fanatics.


The people naive enough to believe they aren't already being monitored are a danger to themselves.


Why, and by who?


NSA already works with all companies to monitor us all. This has all been simi public and also leaked by Snowden.
They listen to our calls, read our emails and internet usage. There's not such thing as privacy. Your likely find It in all those terms and conditions we all agree to that are 1000s of pages long.

From what I've been told a Muslim registry happen after 9/11.


As there are literally millions upon millions of us Americans, they can try to monitor us all they like, but they'd be swamped with almost entirely useless information. In fact, that thought almost makes me wish they did, as they'd be going literally insane from mundane dirty talk, concerns about illness, b*tching about petty stuff, trying to convert sinners to Jesus, teenage girls talking about that cute guy in class, or teenage guys talking about that hot chick in class, etc. :lol:
As for a Muslim registry - I believe that was given up on back under Bush II, when it was realized how much it violated civil liberties. That is hardly any different from Jews having to wear yellow stars under the Nazis.

It's done by computers that listen for key phrases or words then forward that to people to review or flag for police to look into. Super computers are more then able to listen to the whole us population and other countries, they also got ratted out for spying on allied nations.


I know, I shouldn't be so dismissive of a violation of our civil liberties. What Trump supporters don't seem to fathom is how very likely, surveillance is going to increase exponentially under the President Elect when he take the oath of office.


It's going to increase regardless of whose buttocks grace the big chair in the Oval Office. The House of Lords just created a huge demand for encryption solutions by passing the Investigatory Powers Bill. All that stands between us Brits and an even bigger Big Brother is Royal Assent. Considering Royal Assent hasn't been refused since Queen Anne quashed the Scottish Militia Bill over 300 years ago, that's rather like employing a strip of dental floss as a barrier to halt a charging bull elephant.



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22 Nov 2016, 8:48 am

For most people all the NSA keeps track of is meta-data, no actual content. They only actively monitor people who are on watchlists.


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23 Nov 2016, 6:48 pm

Jacoby wrote:
The surveillance state unfortunately does not seem to be going anywhere, Trump is better since he believes in more targeted profiling than simply bulk data collection which I can't imagine they will be stopping either way.


Profiling should not happen, As much as I dislike the religion of Islam, putting Muslims on a registry and tracking them is not the way to go about doing things.

Who is to say he will stop with them? What about those on the spectrum, those with special needs, Catholics, the Irish, the Spanish, Atheists? This is very reminiscent of what my Polish grandparents went through in the late 30's and early 40's.