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25 Nov 2016, 3:38 pm

^ :lol:


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25 Nov 2016, 4:03 pm

Both sides suck....are stuck in ideological quicksand....and don't see the forest for the trees.



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25 Nov 2016, 4:07 pm

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^ :lol:

Your smiley face is clearly another cowardly act of hatred and intimidation. I demand you be arrested!


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25 Nov 2016, 4:27 pm

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You have reason to be anxious, because cases like this happen all the time: the institutional Left, as represented by highly-paid college administrators, is calling the police on a student for writing a post-it note after being invited to write a post-it note -- and if you don't think they might do something like this to you in some other context, you're mistaken.

Student’s Reaction to Trump Win: ‘Suck It Up, p*****s.’ Police Are Investigating This Hate Crime.
Edgewood College calls post-it-note a cowardly act of hate and intimidation


At Edgewood College, police are investigating a post-it-note that was deemed a "hate crime" by college officials.

The post-it-note says "Suck it up, p*****s!" Whoever wrote it also drew a winking, tongue-out smiley face, like this:

;P

The message is evidently one student's response to the Madison, Wisconsin, college's overwhelming dejection following Donald Trump's election to the presidency.

Students had been invited to express their feelings about the election by writing them on post-it-notes and placing them on a designated table. The post-it-note in question appeared in the window of the Office of Student Diversity and Inclusion instead, according to Campus Reform.

College Vice President Tony Chambers sent a letter to campus condemning this "act of cowardly hatred" and "intimidation." He wrote:

"A group of cross-functional college staff representing campus security, student conduct, human resources, Title IX enforcement, and diversity and inclusion measures convened Tuesday morning to discuss how to address the hateful message. This group determined that the message constituted a Hate Crime…"

College officials informed the Madison police, and now the cops are investigating. They are investigating a post-it-note. With a non-threatening message and a smiley face on it. After inviting students to express their feelings via post-it-note.


http://reason.com/blog/2016/11/23/stude ... -suck-it-u


No surprises here. :roll:
This is exactly why I'm dead set against any kind of hate crime/hate speech laws and legislation.
I believe even if identified, arrested, and charged the perpetrator will get off on the criminal charges but at a great expense in legal fees and will most likely still be expelled from college.


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25 Nov 2016, 4:30 pm

So you're against hate speech and hate crimes? That is pretty bad.

So if someone assaulted you because you are on the spectrum, you would be against any protections a person with a disability may have? Same with if you have a friend who is gay and was murdered because he was gay, you wouldn't be for hate crime laws?

And while I'm at it, you are against hate speech laws, so you have no problem with people who use the N word liberally against blacks? That is pathetic.



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25 Nov 2016, 4:50 pm

andrethemoogle wrote:
So you're against hate speech and hate crimes? That is pretty bad.

That's what I said.

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So if someone assaulted you because you are on the spectrum, you would be against any protections a person with a disability may have? Same with if you have a friend who is gay and was murdered because he was gay, you wouldn't be for hate crime laws?

Nope.
Assault is assault even if it results in death regardless of the reason behind it and should stand and be prosecuted on its own merit. In my case I tend to counter-assault up to and including lethal force if warranted.

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And while I'm at it, you are against hate speech laws, so you have no problem with people who use the N word liberally against blacks?

Stix-n-stones....

Really, how much more clear do I need to be. Do you think that college student or anyone else should be arrested and charged with a "hate crime" just for writing "Suck it up, p*****s" on a post-it and sticking it to a bulletin board?

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That is pathetic.

Yes, something really should be done about me. :roll:


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25 Nov 2016, 4:50 pm

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And Republicans weren't the same in 2008 and 2012? Both sides act like idiots (one more so than the other) and are alike in more ways than they think.

Don't remember McCain or Romenlynclaiming election rigged, demanding electors vote for them instead of obama, demanding the electoral college be destroyed, rioting in the streets etc


I know there's been a lot of concern over Trump's potential conflicts of interest, and forthcoming violations of the Foreign Emoluments Clause through his businesses. We don't want someone as President who will be in violation of the law from day 1.

Why hasn't Trump done anything to assuage these concerns? Why instead are the people calling him out for this being called "poor losers"? This has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, but a desire to make sure the President puts country before his own financial interests.


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25 Nov 2016, 5:56 pm

Raptor wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
So you're against hate speech and hate crimes? That is pretty bad.

That's what I said.

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So if someone assaulted you because you are on the spectrum, you would be against any protections a person with a disability may have? Same with if you have a friend who is gay and was murdered because he was gay, you wouldn't be for hate crime laws?

Nope.
Assault is assault even if it results in death regardless of the reason behind it and should stand and be prosecuted on its own merit. In my case I tend to counter-assault up to and including lethal force if warranted.

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And while I'm at it, you are against hate speech laws, so you have no problem with people who use the N word liberally against blacks?

Stix-n-stones....

Really, how much more clear do I need to be. Do you think that college student or anyone else should be arrested and charged with a "hate crime" just for writing "Suck it up, p*****s" on a post-it and sticking it to a bulletin board?

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That is pathetic.

Yes, something really should be done about me. :roll:


Agree on all counts, especially the last. I suggest stoning (and not the recently legalised in California way).



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25 Nov 2016, 6:28 pm

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Raptor wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
So you're against hate speech and hate crimes? That is pretty bad.

That's what I said.

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So if someone assaulted you because you are on the spectrum, you would be against any protections a person with a disability may have? Same with if you have a friend who is gay and was murdered because he was gay, you wouldn't be for hate crime laws?

Nope.
Assault is assault even if it results in death regardless of the reason behind it and should stand and be prosecuted on its own merit. In my case I tend to counter-assault up to and including lethal force if warranted.

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And while I'm at it, you are against hate speech laws, so you have no problem with people who use the N word liberally against blacks?

Stix-n-stones....

Really, how much more clear do I need to be. Do you think that college student or anyone else should be arrested and charged with a "hate crime" just for writing "Suck it up, p*****s" on a post-it and sticking it to a bulletin board?

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That is pathetic.

Yes, something really should be done about me. :roll:


Agree on all counts, especially the last. I suggest stoning (and not the recently legalised in California way).


This?
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Yes, something really should be done about me. :roll:


I'm surprised :o
Most people here would rather see me drawn and quartered or burned to the stake than merely stoned.

I feel slighted now.... :(


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25 Nov 2016, 8:04 pm

Stoning is more fun....and one expends less energy that way....



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25 Nov 2016, 9:30 pm

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This has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, but a desire to make sure the President puts country before his own financial interests.


Just like how everyone who was so concerned about her email during the election was apolitically motivated by ethical qualms? I'm not saying the conflicts aren't a problem, but spare me the "this has nothing to do with politics" posturing.


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25 Nov 2016, 9:49 pm

andrethemoogle wrote:
So you're against hate speech and hate crimes? That is pretty bad.


Why would that be bad?

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So if someone assaulted you because you are on the spectrum, you would be against any protections a person with a disability may have?


Are we punishing the assault, or the thought crime here? Personally, I don't think I'd particularly care if a person who attacked me was looking at 10 years or 15 years depending on whether or not they'd been yelling some slurs or something during the attack, I'd rather they be punished according to the severity of the crime than whatever badthink was going through their head at the time. I'll take the "protections" of a holstered .45 over some feelgood law any day.

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Same with if you have a friend who is gay and was murdered because he was gay, you wouldn't be for hate crime laws?


Would the hate crime law bring my dead gay friend back to life? Should the guy who did it getting life +20 instead of life make me feel better?

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And while I'm at it, you are against hate speech laws, so you have no problem with people who use the N word liberally against blacks? That is pathetic.


Here's a fun question for you; given what just happened in the US, what makes you think that any such law would be applied as you're imagining it? Do you think Trump's justice department is going to suddenly start prosecuting white guys who use racial slurs, or do you think any hate speech law would mysteriously mostly be used on liberal activists who say mean things about white men? As much as the idea of the editorial staffs of Jezebel, Salon and HuffPo being perp-walked for the cameras might warm my heart, I kinda have a problem with tyrannical laws that can be abused by whoever happens to be in power at the moment; I'm weird that way. Maybe you should think a bit about how laws are used and abused before advocating for punishing people for speaking their minds, no matter how odious you might find their opinions, as doubtlessly they find yours just as offensive, and giving them the tools to silence you might not be the best move.


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25 Nov 2016, 10:10 pm

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Frankly, if you want to know the truth, I find that most people really don't give two craps.

As long as it doesn't affect their lives.


I agree and I think that's way Trump saying he would get rid of Obamacare, is a major reason why he won the presidency. That's something affecting the working class lives in a big way. Either buy a high monthly premium gigantic deductible minimum coverage plan, or go without any health insurance and get a big fine. So it was like "screw this, I'm voting for the guy who said he'll fix it". What about this that and the other regarding Trump? "Who cares? Just as long as he gets rid of that @#$%& Obamacare".



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26 Nov 2016, 6:40 pm

andrethemoogle wrote:
So you're against hate speech and hate crimes? That is pretty bad.

So if someone assaulted you because you are on the spectrum, you would be against any protections a person with a disability may have? Same with if you have a friend who is gay and was murdered because he was gay, you wouldn't be for hate crime laws?

And while I'm at it, you are against hate speech laws, so you have no problem with people who use the N word liberally against blacks? That is pathetic.

LOL Why should there be separate laws, at ALL----they only increase the whines / whiners / vicious cycle of people thinking they should get special treatment!!

Assault, is assault----the only difference is the severity; ie. if someone was pushed to the pavement and kicked in the stomach, as opposed to someone who was beaten to a pulp. If I were assaulted----or, if my gay friend was killed----I am confident that the "regular" assault law (or, murder law), would suffice----why should MY beating get more / "special" treatment, than a little old lady who got beaten-up, for her purse; or, for-THAT-matter, why should my gay friend's murder be more "special", than, for instance, a single mother's murder?

As for people using the word "n!gger", "liberally against blacks": MY philosophy is blacks should've never let that word bother them, in-the-FIRST-place (it's that ol' thing about "sticks and stones")----by doing-so, they, IMO, GUARANTEED the perpetuation of its use. (It's just like, IMO, when one kid on the playground calls another kid "four-eyes"----if the bespectacled kid lets it roll-off of him [and, maybe, throws-in an insult of his OWN], his chances of never hearing that, AGAIN, GREATLY increase; if it doesn't cease, all-together!!) As it is, black people "took-back" the word "n!gger"----and, the way they sling it at each other / is, practically, every other word out of their mouth, it is FAR MORE abundant than when white people use it, against them.

Once-upon-a-time, things were as they SHOULD be----when, calling someone "n!gger" (or, anybody calling anybody ELSE, any OTHER slur), was protected by The Constitution. I suppose you think a black person should be put in-jail, under the "hate-speech" law, if they call a white person a "honky"? LOL, if you DO----and, LOL, if you don't!! If you DO----I've never seen a white person cryin'-the-blues, cuz a black person called them a "cracker", or a "honky" (or, whatever OTHER weak word, a black person can come-up with). If you DON'T----then, why doesn't this "protection" of yours, work BOTH ways, hmmm?


(Interestingly [and, pathetically], this site [and other sites] won't let you say the word "n!gger", but they WILL let you say the word "honky"----what's wrong with this picture!!)




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26 Nov 2016, 6:55 pm

Raptor wrote:
andrethemoogle wrote:
So you're against hate speech and hate crimes? That is pretty bad.

That's what I said.

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So if someone assaulted you because you are on the spectrum, you would be against any protections a person with a disability may have? Same with if you have a friend who is gay and was murdered because he was gay, you wouldn't be for hate crime laws?

Nope.
Assault is assault even if it results in death regardless of the reason behind it and should stand and be prosecuted on its own merit. In my case I tend to counter-assault up to and including lethal force if warranted.

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And while I'm at it, you are against hate speech laws, so you have no problem with people who use the N word liberally against blacks?

Stix-n-stones....

Really, how much more clear do I need to be. Do you think that college student or anyone else should be arrested and charged with a "hate crime" just for writing "Suck it up, p*****s" on a post-it and sticking it to a bulletin board?

Oh, GREAT----wish I'd seen this, FIRST; I coulda just put "I AGREE", instead of that book, I just wrote!! LOL




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26 Nov 2016, 6:59 pm

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This has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, but a desire to make sure the President puts country before his own financial interests.


Just like how everyone who was so concerned about her email during the election was apolitically motivated by ethical qualms? I'm not saying the conflicts aren't a problem, but spare me the "this has nothing to do with politics" posturing.


Personally, toward the end I was quite concerned, especially once I realized what Democrats were/are doing to our expats via FATCA and citizenship-based taxation. At that point, I realized our entire establishment was rotten to the core.


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